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Women are more spiritual and religious

Emptyheady December 05, 2016 at 16:20 14275 views 42 comments
Definitions:

An elusive construct imbued with multiple meanings,spirituality has been defined in the research literature as the process of seeking personal authenticity, genuineness, and wholeness; transcending one’s current locus of centricity (i.e.,recognizing concerns beyond oneself); developing a greater connectedness to self and others through relationships and community; deriving meaning, purpose, and direction in life; and openness to exploring a relationship with a higher power or powers that transcend human existence and human knowing.


Facts:

Women More Religious [and spiritual] Than Men

Bryan 2007: gender and spirituality

Women are also more likely to go into humanities, whereas men are more likely to go into STEM fields.

Why are women more spiritual than men?


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Points off every time someone equivocates, like this amateurish "Senior Thesis".

Bonus points for well articulated sexism.

edit: I removed the list with the purpose to filter out lazy replies to this post.

Comments (42)

Agustino December 05, 2016 at 16:36 #37010
Quoting Emptyheady
In terms of behavioral indicators of religiousness, 22% of women and 18% of men were deeply engaged in religious practices;

That's a non-significant difference - 22% vs 18%.

Quoting Emptyheady
Similar to the differences on the religious measures, women scored higher than men did on dimensions related to spirituality, spiritual quest, and self-rated spiritual/religious growth;

Probably.

Quoting Emptyheady
An outward extension of their inner spiritual sensitivities, women also tended to be more involved in charitable activities, concerned with social activism, and more likely than men to perceive themselves as compassionate individuals;

Yes.

Quoting Emptyheady
Why are women more spiritual than men?

Because there are biological, physical and spiritual differences between the sexes. So women are generally more attuned to their bodies, more at peace with themselves, focused on compassion, love and care, whereas men are more competitive and conflictual and focused on the mind. But these are generalities, you can always find exceptions. Why it's like this? Because men and women have played different roles historically, and each has become adapted to play their specific role better than the other. Men will generally for example be physically stronger - they usually had to fight, to defend, to hunt. Women on the other hand will be emotionally attuned, focused on others' well-being and comfort, focused on conflict resolution and unity. Both are required, for example, in a successful family. If it's just the man, then the family is like a military, there is no love and compassion, or care between the members beyond mere utility. If it's just the woman then the family has no direction, no strength and no vigour.

But the modern day feminazis want to erase all the differences because somehow, the fact that women are attuned to deal better with a different set of matters than men, that to them means that women are oppressed and inferior (because despite what they profess to think, they really act as if women were inferior - as if, somehow, being able to deal with the situations they are able to deal somehow makes them "inferior").
Michael December 05, 2016 at 17:08 #37016
Quoting Agustino
But the modern day feminazis want to erase all the differences because somehow, the fact that women are attuned to deal better with a different set of matters than men, that to them means that women are oppressed and inferior (because despite what they profess to think, they really act as if women were inferior - as if, somehow, being able to deal with the situations they are able to deal somehow makes them "inferior").


I'm pretty sure that feminists are trying to combat the actual unfair treatment of women, not whatever the above is supposed to mean.
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 17:10 #37017
Quoting Michael
I'm pretty sure that feminists are trying to combat the actual unfair treatment of women, not whatever the above is supposed to mean.

Are you sure that you're not living 1-2 centuries ago? :D
Terrapin Station December 05, 2016 at 17:15 #37020
Yeah, if there was a small difference among 3600 college students, that must reflect a general biological or gender-oriented difference.
Emptyheady December 05, 2016 at 17:29 #37027
Quoting Agustino
That's a non-significant difference - 22% vs 18%.


Click on the links, there are more and larger points.

Quoting Agustino
more at peace with themselves


Women 'more at peace with themselves'. lol.

The rest of your post is mostly accurate, I think. I get what you mean by "feminazis," although I call them lesbians.

Jokes aside.

I am not messing about, spirituality is a sincerely studied psychological phenomenon and often also chosen as a personalty trait. It varies among groups and it seems to be more dominant among women. It has some heritability (going by my memory of some readings).

An important phenomenon is perhaps that men live a riskier life (evolutionarily speaking) where they have greater chances of dying and have measurably lower life expectancies than women. Men tend to be also more autistic than women, which is almost synonymous with 'mind-blindness'. Women are perhaps more socially aware (of other minds/beings/agents) and this is being expressed in spiritual activities. This is my short take on it.

I have read the guardian comments, but none of them are explanation, instead they just push back the explanation by one step. You can continue the question of "why" that is the case. I am essentially looking for an evolutionary basis for this phenomenon.






Agustino December 05, 2016 at 17:30 #37028
Quoting Emptyheady
Women 'more at peace with themselves'. lol.

That so called insecurity is merely a trick they use to get attention.

I will look at the links soon, I'm a bit busy atm.
Ciceronianus December 05, 2016 at 17:45 #37031
It seems to me that in the Western religious tradition, by which I mean the Abrahamic tradition (Christian and Muslim) women are either the vessels or tools of Satan or--very rarely but more in certain times than others--saints or nearly godly themselves, e.g. Mary. I wonder if the idea that they are more spiritual has its basis in what often seems to be our weirdly excessive regard or disregard of them.
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 17:48 #37034
Reply to Ciceronianus the White But I like to view women as angels, that's why I hate those who aren't ;)
BC December 05, 2016 at 17:58 #37035
Quoting Agustino
But I like to view women as angels, that's why I hate those who aren't ;)


As Professor Loretta Lynn notes,

It wasn't god who made honky tonk angels
As you wrote in the words of you're song
Too many times married men think they're still single
That has caused many good girls to go wrong.

It's a shame that all the blame is on us women
It's not true that only you men feel the same
From the start most every heart that's ever been broken
Was because there always was a man to blame.
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 18:52 #37042
Reply to Heister Eggcart What's happened, did you get triggered? >:O
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 19:03 #37045
Quoting Bitter Crank
It wasn't god who made honky tonk angels
As you wrote in the words of you're song
Too many times married men think they're still single
That has caused many good girls to go wrong.

It's a shame that all the blame is on us women
It's not true that only you men feel the same
From the start most every heart that's ever been broken
Was because there always was a man to blame.

Is this Professor a feminazi? :P The curious thing BC, is that women actually treat us men like beasts of the field who can't control themselves - at least that's the attitude I've encountered. So if a man were to cheat, very often the woman won't be as mad at the man (unless he persists in it, or when confronted refuses to do anything about it) but she will be fucking mad at the other woman, and will go after her >:O This underlies the common thought (which is I have to admit, for many men) quite often true: men are often unable to control their sexual impulses and can be very easily seduced. But for us men, if our wife or girlfriend cheats - then we don't go after the other guy, we have a problem with her as well - because we assume, just like she would assume about the woman we cheated with, that she seduced the guy, who just couldn't control himself. So it's interesting - by receiving the blame, women are actually playing a game in which they are superior, they are the ones who can control themselves, unlike men who are weak and fall for every little bit of skin they can see.
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 19:05 #37046
Reply to Heister Eggcart Oh no, disaster! How does nonexistance feel like? Is it lonely, do you want to be born again? >:O
BC December 05, 2016 at 19:09 #37047
Since we are an evolved species like all other species and not one created by divine fiat, I suppose one can imagine an evolutionary basis for just about everything. There being an evolutionary basis, and we being able to precisely identify it, does not necessarily go together.

Could it be that women are "more religiously [or spiritually] oriented because it fits their material/maternal circumstances?

Women specialized in weaving early on because it was compatible with their reproductive role of bearing and raising children. Chopping, digging, hunting, hauling, butchering, and so on (male tasks) were much more dangerous to children than weaving, and a woman would have difficulty looking after children and cutting down trees at the same time.

Moving up to more recent times, perhaps possible could be women got interested in religion more than men because it was available for exploitation for their wants and needs. In other words, maybe it's not an inherent interest. Maybe it's constructed by circumstances. Why are so many gay men hairdressers (if that is even the case)? Because gay men are inherently interested in women's hair? No, because it was a niche that could be safely occupied.

When computerization became a major thing (back in the 60s-70s) a lot of gay men seemed to have gone into that area--not because gay men are inherently digitally oriented, but because a) they're guys and b) data processing was a niche that could be safely occupied. I've met more gay computer guys than gay hair guys.

In any case, men dominated the field of religion (as "men are naturally wont to do". Here, Miss, let us manage the church -- keep praying, just stay out of the important meetings. And don't get any big ideas either.
Buxtebuddha December 05, 2016 at 19:09 #37048
Reply to Agustino I feel strangely more authentic and whole than being in the humanities, hummmmm.
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 19:12 #37049
Reply to Heister Eggcart >:O It's not the humanities as such - only postmodernism that annoys you ;)
BC December 05, 2016 at 19:14 #37050
Reply to Heister Eggcart I've never understood how a phaser blast (to the chest, in this case) can propagate throughout the body, causing disintegration. You would think the target would just collapse with a charred hole in the thoracic cavity.

Do you understand the physics of this?
BC December 05, 2016 at 19:16 #37051
Reply to Heister Eggcart Stay out of the humanities, for sure. They are currently a swamp infested by malevolent spirits of female nonsensicalness. (Not that every English major of ages past was a hard-headed realist.)
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 19:18 #37052
Quoting Bitter Crank
Could it be that women are "more religiously [or spiritually] oriented because it fits their material/maternal circumstances?

I agree entirely to this.

Quoting Bitter Crank
In any case, men dominated the field of religion (as "men are naturally wont to do". Here, Miss, let us manage the church -- keep praying, just stay out of the important meetings. And don't get any big ideas either.

I disagree that men were superior to women through history. Now that's just revisionism and it's just false. You say that, and it kinda assumes that men kept women by design in those positions. That men were in charge, and they allocated the woman the position they should have, and they allocated themselves the position they should have. But this is precisely false. The positions were allocated by the biological and natural differences that exist between the sexes in combination with the material circumstances.
Buxtebuddha December 05, 2016 at 19:18 #37054
Reply to Agustino

You are culturally oppressing me with your opinion, please refrain, sir.

Agustino December 05, 2016 at 19:19 #37055
Quoting Heister Eggcart
You are culturally oppressing me with your opinion, please refrain, sir.

If I go have a sex change, can I not refrain then? Will I be permitted and indulged? ;)
Buxtebuddha December 05, 2016 at 19:24 #37056
Reply to Agustino

Absolutely, because then you'll be sterile.
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 19:24 #37057
Quoting Heister Eggcart
Absolutely, because then you'll be sterile.

Okay Hitler >:O
Buxtebuddha December 05, 2016 at 19:25 #37058
Reply to Agustino Who says I'm forcing you, though? You forget, Agustino, that I still believe in the powar of luv, brah.
Nils Loc December 05, 2016 at 19:26 #37059
Mostly women attend the meditation and prayer service at the building I upkeep.

There were a lot more women than men in the Holy Hell cult, if I recall.

Isn't football a religious/spiritual activity though?

Humans and their dumb intellectual classifications.




Agustino December 05, 2016 at 19:27 #37060
Quoting Heister Eggcart
Who says I'm forcing you, though? You forget, Agustino, that I still believe in the powar of luv, brah.

Okay bruv, you'll fuck me till I love you I get it man
Buxtebuddha December 05, 2016 at 19:29 #37061
Reply to Nils Loc Spirituality is an intrinsically inward understanding, so the idea that we can figure out which sex or gender is more spiritual based on the perception of who looks to be more spiritual is pretty stupid.

Reply to Agustino Have you even met a black person before, Agu?
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 19:31 #37062
Quoting Heister Eggcart
Have you even met a black person before, Agu?

Oh yes, I even have many black friends/acquaintances. You forget I've lived and worked in the West for quite some time.
Buxtebuddha December 05, 2016 at 19:33 #37063
Reply to Agustino Being an immigrant isn't very conservative, Agu.
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 19:34 #37064
Reply to Heister Eggcart Yeah I was thinking about it. I'm an immigrant and I'm supporting the folks who want to kick my ass out - at least I'm doing something original.
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 19:35 #37065
Reply to Heister Eggcart And what's with this Agu?? Do you think I'm like this guy:
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Buxtebuddha December 05, 2016 at 19:38 #37066
Reply to Agustino Don't ovaryact, it's just a nickname, sweetie.
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 19:39 #37067
Reply to Heister Eggcart No gay with me please :-O
Buxtebuddha December 05, 2016 at 19:42 #37069
Reply to Agustino But I thought you wacked off to pictures of Putin and busts of Brutus, :’(
Agustino December 05, 2016 at 19:44 #37070
Buxtebuddha December 05, 2016 at 19:46 #37071
Alright, enough of this. Back to paper writing. I've already exhausted my wit too much in this single thread, sigh.
Ciceronianus December 05, 2016 at 20:53 #37082
Perhaps we men respond differently to the spiritual. Since we're quoting song writers (or some of us are), and they do sometimes get things right, I return to one of the songs of my youth, written by Ian Anderson:

Oh Father high in heaven,
Smile down upon your son,
Who's busy with his money games,
His women and his gun.

Call it a kind of anthem. It must be on the Web somewhere.

BC December 05, 2016 at 22:24 #37105
Reply to Heister Eggcart I thought it was short for Andrew Aguecheek of Twelfth Night by WS.

"Ague" means a shivering fit. He of the jiggling jowls, I suppose.
BC December 05, 2016 at 22:27 #37107
Reply to Agustino Very good.
BC December 05, 2016 at 22:34 #37111
Jethro Tull – Hymn 43

Our father high in heaven-smile down upon your son.
Who's busy with his money games - his woman and his gun.
Oh Jesus save me!

And the unsung Western hero, killed an Indian or three,
And then he made his name in Hollywood
To set the white man free.
Oh Jesus save me!

If Jesus saves-well, He'd better save Himself
From the gory glory seekers who use His name in death.
Oh Jesus save me!

Well, I saw Him in the city and on the mountains of the moon -
His cross was rather bloody -
He could hardly roll His stone.
Oh Jesus save me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_LF9NFKPlo
BC December 05, 2016 at 22:37 #37112
This refined woman is clearly more spiritual.

Agustino December 05, 2016 at 22:49 #37117
Reply to Bitter Crank That's kind of disgusting you know BC >:O Wasn't Freud the fella who taught that illusions are good? They help us remain sane? :P Now if that's the truth, may we not at least choose our chains (and illusions) you know what I'm sayin' bruv? >:O
The Great Whatever December 06, 2016 at 12:27 #37210
I don't know, I think women are just more interested in social cohesion and taking part in social institutions. Men tend to have slight asocial (anti-social?) streaks.