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Wiser Words Have Never Been Spoken

ArguingWAristotleTiff October 22, 2015 at 11:12 16925 views 185 comments
Hanover:Because technically I'm an idiot

Right from the Lizard's mouth!


Comments (185)

Baden October 22, 2015 at 12:04 #260
(Y)
Hanover October 22, 2015 at 15:11 #288
It is my humility and self-deprecating sense of humor that endears me to my inferiors. As a result, I post occasional comments like the one above, only to have it used maliciously against me. An ordinary person would protest, but I sit back content, appreciating how my comments have elevated the self worth of those who have so little.
ArguingWAristotleTiff October 23, 2015 at 17:25 #512
Quoting Benkei
I strongly don't care.

:D
BC October 23, 2015 at 21:55 #619
Everything begins in mysticism and ends in politics. (Charles Peguy.) He also noted that "Tyranny is always better organized than freedom."
ArguingWAristotleTiff October 25, 2015 at 14:53 #958
[quote=BitterCrank]Sorry, Heathcliff, Hamlet and the Don are just too far back in memory -- can't pry them out. [/quote]
Mayor of Simpleton October 25, 2015 at 15:57 #967
[quote=SIR2U]

Whilst many that come here do use Twatter and farcebook to keep in touch with others, a lot of us come here to avoid the high quantity and quality of the stupidity found on those mostly brainless areas of the internet and avoid the multitude of ads, likes, followers, and general bullshit that so blocks up your thinking processes.[/quote]

Taken from a place far far away. :D

Meow!

GREG

btw... How about them apples... you can cut and paste a quote from our old home here in our new home. SHAZAM!
Sir2u October 25, 2015 at 21:03 #990
Hey, ain't I the funking greatest. X-) Suck that up Yahadreas, I's the most awesome t'day.
The first, one and only, original, unique posted in 2 Wiser Words threads on 2 different forums at the same time. I shall have to tope six packs of Schlitz more often.

Thanks MoS.

Ps please don't no one look further up in case I'm wrong.:s
Mayor of Simpleton October 25, 2015 at 21:08 #991
Reminds me...

Should I invite Schlitz?

He also had some really great posts.

Meow!

GREG

btw... did you like how I suggested we should maybe form a club? ;)
Sir2u October 25, 2015 at 21:15 #992
Quoting Mayor of Simpleton
Should I invite Schlitz?


Either the poster or the cans would be great.

Quoting Mayor of Simpleton
btw... did you like how I suggested we should maybe form a club?


I'm game, who we gonna be beatin on, the twits or the farces?

I just noticed that Arkady was online at PF so I sent him a PM.
S October 25, 2015 at 23:20 #1011
Quoting Sir2u
I just noticed that Arkady was online at PF so I sent him a PM.


I beat you to it. He said he'd check this place out.

Arkady October 26, 2015 at 11:56 #1095
Thanks to all of those who extended an invitation to this new forum. I am curious: who is planning on severing ties altogether with "the old forum"? I am adopting a provisional, "wait and see" attitude with regard to the new owners. It looks like some fairly strong posters (e.g. AndrewK and Nagase) are still hanging around PF. I am thinking that I will probably divide my time between these 2 forums for a while.
Mayor of Simpleton October 26, 2015 at 14:09 #1118
Indeed I am still checking in at PF, but have the feeling that my days there are numbered.

I was contacting 'theSoren' a bit to get a bit more of a picture of what is really the intention and direction of PF. It's sort of like driving by a former home to see what the new buyers have done with it.

There are moments where it is difficult to 'let go', but it seems as if it is not really what it used to be, so the 'letting go' might well have been taken care of for me, as hat it was is not longer there to hold.

I will post now and then there, but for the most part as to keep contact with folks who might well be interested in looking into our new option.

This is not so much a territorial war, but more a realization that this is no longer really home.

Anyway...

in the words of the band that brought me back to philosophy, Maximo Park:
[b][i]"What happens when you lose everything?
You just start again
You start all over again!"[/i][/b]



For me... somewhat autobiographical, right down to the nose bleed out of the left nostril (exactly what happened when my head literally exploded a few years back).

Meow!

GREG
S October 26, 2015 at 20:46 #1209
Quoting Arkady
Thanks to all of those who extended an invitation to this new forum. I am curious: who is planning on severing ties altogether with "the old forum"? I am adopting a provisional, "wait and see" attitude with regard to the new owners. It looks like some fairly strong posters (e.g. AndrewK and Nagase) are still hanging around PF. I am thinking that I will probably divide my time between these 2 forums for a while.


You're welcome.

I for one am planning to abandon the old forum altogether, provided things here either remain as good as they are, or improve.

This place is a breath of fresh air, is an improvement in some ways (both major and minor), and has grown on me.

The other place has been poorly managed in some respects, since the takeover, and I've been in the line of fire. I don't trust Borat, et al.
Jamal October 26, 2015 at 23:34 #1282
The best possible future for humanity, in my view, is one where we collectively agree to cease reproduction and live our lives for as long as we desire to. We would be abstaining from forcing people into existence while pursuing our dreams for as long as we can sustain them.


I suppose it was only a matter of time.
Michael October 26, 2015 at 23:38 #1285
Reply to jamalrob That accurately describes how I want to live my life. Childless and immortal.
Wosret October 27, 2015 at 05:10 #1372
Quoting The Great Whatever
It's like Ba da ba ba ba, I'm lovin' it. Nobody 'loves' McDonalds. That's just something they say in the commercials.


Lol, that's funny shit.
Jamal October 29, 2015 at 06:41 #1678
Marchesk:Would be interesting if some panpsychist wrote a first person story from the the POV of a rock.


What is it like to be a rock? Hard.
Marchesk October 30, 2015 at 03:10 #1792
The hard problem of being a rock?

Is there a possible world of p-zombie rocks?
Marchesk October 30, 2015 at 03:13 #1793
Quoting Michael
That accurately describes how I want to live my life. Childless and immortal.


If we can achieve immortality (of a sort), I'm guessing we'll be able to give birth to people who don't suffer.
Michael October 30, 2015 at 08:59 #1810
[quote=Marchesk]I'm guessing we'll be able to give birth to people who don't suffer.[/quote]

Having a child would make me suffer, though. ;)
_db October 30, 2015 at 20:10 #1850
Reply to Michael At least someone seems to agree...
Mayor of Simpleton October 30, 2015 at 20:14 #1851
I just noticed that I posted the song above in the wrong section of the Forum.

I wanted to place it in the 'What are you listening to right now' thread and somehow landed it here.

I'm seriously tired.

Meow!

GREG
Michael October 30, 2015 at 20:19 #1853
Reply to Mayor of Simpleton I moved it for you.
Mayor of Simpleton October 30, 2015 at 20:33 #1854
Thanks!

Recent events have sort of shuffled my brain cells.

Time to take a break...

... but atleast I had the fun of misreading the post 'The Problem of Nihilism' to read 'The Problem with Niles Rodgers'. I was thinking over a post regarding his time in the Black Panthers when my wife said honey, look at the thread title again...". :s

Wise words indeed. ;)

I'll see you guys tomorrow.

Meow!

GREG
Jamal October 31, 2015 at 19:10 #1907
The Great Whatever:It seems to me that any philosophical position that must claim that eating a cookie is torture has gone wrong somewhere.


Who could argue?
Postmodern Beatnik November 01, 2015 at 05:54 #1939
Reply to jamalrob Unless, perhaps, they are razor blade cookies.
ArguingWAristotleTiff November 01, 2015 at 12:10 #1949
[quote=Wosret] Wealthy persons will remain inherently bad in my view, until I become one. [/quote]
Jamal November 12, 2015 at 09:21 #3013
Quoting Arkady
this is only the opening part of The Lord of the Flies, where everyone is still nice to each other. Man's primeval nature will emerge eventually, leaving you mods plenty to do. :D


By "Man's primeval nature" I take Arkady to be referring to Kwalish Kid, but he's yet to find his way here.
S January 03, 2016 at 01:40 #6715
Quoting John
Does the ant-realist believe that the fact of the appearance of things is independent of what anyone believes and/or experiences?


No, he believes that ants are real.
Janus January 03, 2016 at 02:12 #6716
Reply to Sapientia

O:) Ha, ha...whoops....
_db January 03, 2016 at 03:30 #6721
Reply to jamalrob I am going to start an arcane, tribal chant "Kuh-Wal-Ish Kid; Kuh-Wal-Ish Kid" in the hopes that it summons him from the ancestral realm. Current statistics puts the effectiveness of this chant at a zero percent rating, but it worked on my dog, so hopefully it will work here.
Mayor of Simpleton May 29, 2016 at 10:30 #12403
Quoting Bitter Crank
So, lactating males are as useful as tits on a boar after all.


Meow!

GREG
ArguingWAristotleTiff June 27, 2016 at 13:16 #13607
Quoting Wosret
Let me put it to you this way, the unscrupulous have all of the options available to those with scruples, plus dishonesty. misinformation, misdirection, relevant omissions, and spin.


This reply has been posted on The Philosophy Forum Facebook page. Congratulations and Thank you for your contribution!
Michael September 07, 2016 at 14:23 #19800
[quote=tom]Now while andrewk's statement is true, it is not logically correct.[/quote]

Bait and switch!
Michael October 15, 2016 at 09:09 #26608
Quoting WhiskeyWhiskers
I'm not going to let this point go, by the way. You'll have to address it sooner or later. I'll PM you in your sleep.


This is now official policy on how to do things around here.
ArguingWAristotleTiff November 24, 2016 at 14:29 #34954
Quoting Hanover
Where I live, using the phone is involved in more fatal accidents than alcohol. The statistic for alcohol is far less than 80%". — Metaphysician Undercover

"Where do you live, at the Samsung Galaxy S7 store?


Now that's funny! 8-)
ArguingWAristotleTiff December 02, 2016 at 11:23 #36562
This gem was found on the "Moderation" thread and made me smile at the crew of 'thinkers' we have here at The Philosophy Forum!
Quoting Bitter Crank
And here I was all set to discuss moderation in all things, rather than moderation on THE Philosophy Forum.

A Motley crew we are!
Cavacava December 16, 2016 at 12:23 #38976
BC
?Mongrel The only good Orc is a dead Orc.


My sentiments exactly.

Michael December 19, 2016 at 17:01 #39596
Quoting Jeremiah
-ism debates are a giant pointless waste of time. Most such terms are largely subjective at any rate.


Too much time is spent arguing over what some -ism means. Better to just ask what the proponent means by it and go with it.
S December 19, 2016 at 23:08 #39626
Reply to Michael Ah, anti-ismism.
ArguingWAristotleTiff January 22, 2017 at 14:28 #48824
Quoting Hanover
A neutral who defends itself isn't a neutral


Such is the Lawyer's perspective! (Y)
ArguingWAristotleTiff May 29, 2017 at 11:39 #72885
Quoting TimeLine
Like those people who audition for a singing competition but they sound like a dying horse need to be told that they won't get far in life as a singer, sometimes there are people who have a rather awkward intellect that need to be told that perhaps they should try dabbling in something less intellectually vigorous, like new age spirituality. It may just be that you unfortunately got caught in between, brush your shoulders off and move on.

This made me laugh, relate and take note of how to move on through today. (Y)


ArguingWAristotleTiff July 13, 2017 at 14:52 #86217
Quoting Terrapin Station

Yes. I'm kind of an "irrational optimist"

This I like. (Y)
ArguingWAristotleTiff July 30, 2017 at 14:41 #91652
Quoting Mongrel
Did you also predict that N. Korea would grow ICBMs? Considering your proximity, maybe you folks should pick a general to be your chief of staff (or whatever you call that person).


Quoting Banno
?Mongrel
Meh. They can only reach as far as Darwin. There's nothing up there.


That was a brilliant exchange to read from two of my favorite 'thinkers'. Thank you for your contribution to my sanity. (Y)
Mongrel July 31, 2017 at 00:44 #91751
ArguingWAristotleTiff December 02, 2017 at 23:49 #129459
Quoting T Clark
On the other hand, there are parts of my past I am cut off from where the tapestry is faint or cloudy.


The past, a place half remembered, a place half envisioned.
Wayfarer December 22, 2017 at 08:34 #136138
Quoting Inter Alia
Religion doesn't 'teach' love, we've been loving each other perfectly well for the last few million years since oxytocin evolved to do the job.


And now, enhanced with Viagra X-)
Agustino December 22, 2017 at 09:14 #136148
Quoting Wayfarer
And now, enhanced with Viagra X-)

>:O - I heard from some doctors that Viagra is good for old people in terms of heart health.
ArguingWAristotleTiff December 22, 2017 at 11:59 #136200
Quoting Agustino
I heard from some doctors that Viagra is good for old people in terms of heart health.


And it is a Medicare covered medication. Yippie! These poor men walking around the old folks home, with a boner they wished they had in high school and no one to share it with. Nurses have to LOVE that! (N)
Agustino December 22, 2017 at 12:41 #136212
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
These poor men walking around the old folks home, with a boner they wished they had in high school and no one to share it with. Nurses have to LOVE that! (N)

So... do the nurses have to provide hand relief when that happens?

[hide="Not For Kids"][/hide]
Wheatley December 25, 2017 at 20:36 #137131
Quoting Sir2u
CAPITAL letters exist. They go at the beginning of each sentences.


BlueBanana December 25, 2017 at 22:11 #137159
Quoting Bitter Crank
"Tyranny is always better organized than freedom."


The socialist countries have higher taxes.
ArguingWAristotleTiff December 30, 2017 at 12:42 #138375
Quoting TimeLine
Make friends with people who are not afraid to tell you that you are wrong, not people who will agree with you tooth and nail. Do not project your own faults and problems onto these people when they expose to you that you are wrong and claim that it is them doing what you are actually doing.


Excellent advice
Michael January 04, 2018 at 16:14 #139894
Quoting Agustino
There was once a joke I heard. Jesus
Agustino January 04, 2018 at 16:19 #139898
Reply to Michael I see you have perfected the art of out of context quoting ;)
Michael January 04, 2018 at 16:32 #139901
Reply to Agustino :)

That's exactly what this discussion is for (from the old site). Tiff explicitly said "taken out of context" (as far as I can remember).
Sir2u February 26, 2018 at 01:02 #156786
And now for the candidates for best responses to useless arguments.

"Fuck, man, that's a brilliant argument!"

Add yours favorite candidate below.
ArguingWAristotleTiff March 13, 2018 at 12:09 #161572
Quoting Bitter Crank
Morality without an emotional commitment is not worth thinking about.


Very wise
ArguingWAristotleTiff March 19, 2018 at 15:16 #163833
Quoting Mr Phil O'Sophy
This will be so legit.


Well folks, this phrase is an indicator that the "NEXT" generation has arrived at the 'thinkers' sandbox. :victory:
ArguingWAristotleTiff April 11, 2018 at 11:24 #171090
Quoting dclements
While it is unlikely you will heed this advice, IMHO I believe it is best that you reading and writing about philosophy other than what you are doing to earn your degree on your own terms and doing what interests you. For if you don't there is a good chance that it will all will become just 'work' to you and it will become just as boring and tedious as whatever you did before you did for the government before you enrolled in the program you are now in.


Excellent advice~
ArguingWAristotleTiff April 13, 2018 at 13:30 #171565
It's comparing apples and oranges.
Quoting ahmad bilal
Well, if you imagine viewing them from some distance, both are spherical...

Perspective matters. :up:
S April 13, 2018 at 13:35 #171568
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
It's comparing apples and oranges.

Well, if you imagine viewing them from some distance, both are spherical...
— ahmad bilal

Perspective matters. :up:


So does the actual meaning of the idiom, which is not so literal. :eyes:
ArguingWAristotleTiff April 14, 2018 at 13:40 #171845
Quoting T Clark
Not sure if this will help - I don't have a lot of friends, but I have found friends here. If you hang around a little while, you will too. Maybe that's not enough, but this could be a place where you feel at home.


What a beautiful perspective on The Philosophy Forum~ Thank you~
jm0 April 14, 2018 at 14:08 #171856
We're all technically idiots, when we hypothetically compare ourselves with a more advanced civilization. You never know, they might just be idiots like us. In that case, we are not the only idiots in the universe. There is something comforting in that statement alone. Otherwise, we are bound to be the lonesome idiots floating through space, until the day we discover another civilization that is more or less idiotic than our own.
Sir2u April 17, 2018 at 01:48 #172429
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_affairs_(philosophy).

Given as a source in an exiting thread. I think I need help in understanding what it says. :rofl:
ArguingWAristotleTiff April 17, 2018 at 20:52 #172585
Quoting tim wood
This goes to the question of how things are grounded. I want a rational ground; someone else wants emotion/feeling; a third wants utility; a fourth, care. A fifth shrugs and say it's all relative; a sixth says nothing matters - do what you want.


@tim wood You tagged each of the personalities in my group of friends!
Deleted User April 17, 2018 at 22:00 #172591
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ArguingWAristotleTiff April 20, 2018 at 15:29 #173098
Quoting unenlightened
Wait a sec: when a dude's been being studied by scholars for a thousand years or two, he might be wrong, but he's obviously not obviously wrong, right?


Right! :lol:
ArguingWAristotleTiff April 20, 2018 at 15:32 #173099
Quoting tim wood
The challenge is to see the common among them. And are you one, or a seventh?

I do believe I am a two. :wink: Married to a 6 or 7.
Opposites attract right?
S April 21, 2018 at 07:43 #173190
Quoting Hanover
A religion of one is a religion of none.
— Thorongil

That's not at all logical. A religion of one would be a religion of one.


:grin:
Deleted User April 22, 2018 at 19:01 #173383
This user has been deleted and all their posts removed.
ArguingWAristotleTiff April 25, 2018 at 15:52 #173949
Quoting T Clark
I think women underestimate how much men are afraid of them, of their scorn.

@Hanover seems a page of the "How to handle a Woman" Playbook fell out! :love:
T Clark April 25, 2018 at 19:38 #173978
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
seems a page of the "How to handle a Woman" Playbook fell out!


I know how to handle women. Just pretend they're human and everything will work out ok. :meh:
Baden April 26, 2018 at 04:56 #174134
Quoting StreetlightX
Lol fuck Nazis and fuck anything they do and fuck any shitcunt who supports a Nazi.
ArguingWAristotleTiff April 29, 2018 at 12:17 #174672
Quoting unenlightened
Choice is the resolution of conflict.

Ah ha! :up:
ArguingWAristotleTiff May 23, 2018 at 21:01 #181503
Quoting Baden
Excuse me for probably twisting your words there btw. It seemed convenient...

:rofl: :lol: Such rich words coming straight from the administration!
:heart: :cheer: :party:
Sir2u May 26, 2018 at 23:22 #182469
Quoting Posty McPostface
To be honest to thyself and to keep an open mind to actually, dare I say, being wrong.

ArguingWAristotleTiff May 27, 2018 at 03:30 #182504
Quoting Sir2u
A person's opinions are formed through their way of thinking and the information that they have. Most people don't see the opposing arguments as valid because their mind deals with the information differently and it is difficult to see from someone else's point of view.

:heart:
0 thru 9 May 27, 2018 at 22:07 #182760
Quoting Hanover
This place is as special we make it. You are sacred. Subjective value versus objective. If we all agree this place is useless, it is. If we all agree you are useless, we're wrong.


(May have got jumbled in the box of shouting... but :up: )
Shawn May 31, 2018 at 20:08 #184141
Quoting Marcus de Brun
I must endure the idiocy of my peers, but equally they must endure mine.


ArguingWAristotleTiff June 02, 2018 at 14:38 #184611
Quoting T Clark
Yes, we are all intellectual superheros.


:100:
ArguingWAristotleTiff June 02, 2018 at 14:46 #184617
Quoting Metaphysician Undercover
It's no wonder you're getting lost, you're inverting what I said. What I meant is that we speak of the unintelligible as an unknown. This implies that the unintelligible is an instance of the unknown, it does not mean that all unknowns are unintelligible. Therefore, that you provide an example of an unknown which is not an unintelligible, is really irrelevant, it just means that you misunderstood what I said.


This feels very circular. :sweat:
Metaphysician Undercover June 03, 2018 at 00:59 #184833
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff
If I say that a poodle is a dog, and you give me an example of a dog which is not a poodle, as evidence that my claim is false, all this means is that you have misunderstood what I said.
ArguingWAristotleTiff June 07, 2018 at 12:38 #186265
How about the sex difference in IQ? — tom

Quoting T Clark
I don't know.


Golden words that I have rarely heard from a male. :heart:
T Clark June 07, 2018 at 15:14 #186292
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Golden words that I have rarely heard from a male.


Hey! I resemble that remark.
ArguingWAristotleTiff June 08, 2018 at 14:46 #186463
Quoting T Clark
Hey! I resemble that remark.


:wink:
ArguingWAristotleTiff August 03, 2018 at 13:45 #202483
What is the origin of reasonableness?
— Isaac Shmukler

A reasonable bedtime.
- Noble Dust
:up:
Aleksander Kvam August 08, 2018 at 16:22 #204080
Reply to Bitter Crank He also noted that "Tyranny is always better organized than freedom." sounds like a job for the goverment :)
ArguingWAristotleTiff August 09, 2018 at 14:07 #204322
Quoting Banno
Give me a link to Jesus' writing, as opposed to the more popular commentaries.

:grin:
ArguingWAristotleTiff August 09, 2018 at 14:09 #204323
Quoting Baden
The sentence as written is meaningless but cross-pollinates meaningful sentences in a misleading way.


Hey! No cross-pollinating in here! :smirk:
Baden August 09, 2018 at 14:18 #204326
ArguingWAristotleTiff August 28, 2018 at 02:05 #208638
Quoting unenlightened
The point where I'm quoting Jesus is the point where I know I have reached the edge of reason, and it's time to be quiet.

:lol:
ArguingWAristotleTiff August 28, 2018 at 13:11 #208708
Quoting Lif3r
Sometimes when people get under our skin it is a reflection of our own insecurities.


@Lif3r How true what you said can be~
Lif3r August 28, 2018 at 13:13 #208709
:gasp:
Did I make a list? Yayyyy haha
ArguingWAristotleTiff August 28, 2018 at 13:19 #208711
Quoting ssu
I remember in the old PF how quick and effective the administrators were to spot the occasional crank or the person who would start to make ad hominem attacks and be too abusive. Poof! And they were gone instantly. The NKVD worked so well. That instilled a little bit of fear into us and kept the discussion rather polite. Yet when the old forum crashed the first time, the first thing on my mind was had I written something bad and gotten evicted for some reason.


God I remember that feeling....and I think we were in good company that had felt that way. It was a fear that one day, you would no longer have a space at the table of "thinkers" that was set. As @Hanover used to say: when someone gets banned it kind makes you wonder if you could be next and maybe had to up your game. :eyes:
ArguingWAristotleTiff August 31, 2018 at 12:51 #209433
Quoting Sir2u
The best laid plans in war and politics unravel at first contact with the opposition

And then almost everything changes except for the nugget of contention that started the war.
ArguingWAristotleTiff October 11, 2018 at 14:19 #219719
You just thanked me. There is no need to thank me again within 3 words. But thank you for thanking me, and thanks.

- fdrake

I LOVE the gratefulness of it all! :heart:
unenlightened October 29, 2018 at 20:37 #223282
Quoting Ciceronianus the White
Well. Being, being being, is no being; or to put it another way, no being can be being, because being is being. While it may be true that beings be, by being they are not being. Thus we avoid caricature.


There will be an answer...
Ciceronianus October 30, 2018 at 15:36 #223411
Quoting unenlightened
There will be an answer...


Let be be.
ArguingWAristotleTiff November 06, 2018 at 13:52 #225335
Quoting Hanover
It's all about their attempt to obtain power at all costs. It has nothing to do with righteousness. To think otherwise is incredibly naive.

What group of people are we talking about again? :razz:
ArguingWAristotleTiff November 23, 2018 at 15:54 #230481
Quoting Benkei
I wasn't putting any words in your mouth as you're quite capable of making an ass out of yourself without my help. All I was trying to do was helping you figure out the inanity of your position.


Another one of my favorite forum attorneys!
S December 23, 2018 at 18:54 #239932
Quoting andrewk
I hope to be able to definitively answer the question in the OP before long. I have been busy in the important exercise of observing everything and identifying for every single thing whether it has a start.

When I am finished, I will post the result here, and then we'll finally know for good and all.


:smirk: :up:
ArguingWAristotleTiff January 07, 2019 at 13:24 #243966
Stay happy, walk in the shade and don't talk to strangers unless they are firemen.

Probably the best advice I received for 2019 from another forum member! :cool:
ArguingWAristotleTiff January 07, 2019 at 13:25 #243969
Quoting S
You ain't no peng'un historian, Mikey. Don't be given papa Hanover no lip or you'll be in for a good hidin'. Your kind ain't welcome around these parts. Take your new spangled intellectualism elsewhere. You hear me, boy?

:starstruck: You put em in place S!
S January 15, 2019 at 22:55 #246515
Quoting schopenhauer1
I never said we don't have the ability to cope. I cope with your arguments and obvious hostility for example :wink: .


My obvious hostility is what makes me so endearing. Everyone I force into submission tells me so.
Sir2u January 17, 2019 at 01:45 #246874
Quoting S
My obvious hostility is what makes me so endearing. Everyone I force into submission tells me so.


So they don't tell you too often then do they. :lol:
ArguingWAristotleTiff March 30, 2019 at 18:39 #270777
With respect, I am wrong more often than you think. But when I play devil's advocate and all I get is ridicule and argument from authority, I smile quietly and shake my head a little.

@unenlightened
My mentor, my sage~ I am trying very hard to walk in your shadow my friend~
S April 11, 2019 at 22:22 #275608
[quote="whollyrolling]The existence of horses and narwhals proves the existence of unicorns.

You could apply this principle to anything really. It's a simple formula, "because there's this, there must also be that".

This is what makes ancient philosophy so lasting, so impossible to defeat, so impressive and amazing. It's reverse psychology, if you say something so profoundly and incomprehensibly stupid that no one can argue against it, then you win while the world scratches its head.[/quote]
ArguingWAristotleTiff April 12, 2019 at 12:44 #275822
Quoting S
Too much talking, not enough listening.

:up:


S April 18, 2019 at 07:14 #278490
Quoting Bitter Crank
Nah! Most of us do not have the opportunity to use morality spreaders on others. (They look just like manure spreaders. And sometimes it's the same old bullshit.)


:grin::up:
unenlightened April 22, 2019 at 13:19 #280472
Quoting csalisbury
Now I'm in the embarrassing position of more or less agreeing entirely.


A fate worse than birth.
ArguingWAristotleTiff April 24, 2019 at 13:30 #281185
It's not like anything actually happened. Nobody came. Nobody posted. Nobody left. Nobody even had trouble with the English language.

If only someone would name themselves Your Mama,, I could have endless fun.

:rofl:
ArguingWAristotleTiff May 01, 2019 at 00:52 #284231
Quoting Geo
Because anonymity is the road to impunity.

Powerful thought.
Welcome to The Philosophy Forum~
Pull up a chair to the table of "thinkers" and enjoy yourself~
Tiff
ArguingWAristotleTiff May 01, 2019 at 00:55 #284234
Quoting S
An addict needs help, not condemnation. They've become a victim to their addiction, which would be corrupting them and causing them distress.

Astute observation my friend~ It has a PB feeling to it~ :flower:
S May 01, 2019 at 01:07 #284242
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Astute observation my friend~ It has a PB feeling to it~ :flower:


Thank you, Tiff. Just don't tell anyone about my compassionate side, as it will fuck up my hardball persona. :victory:
ArguingWAristotleTiff May 01, 2019 at 02:31 #284287
Quoting S
Thank you, Tiff. Just don't tell anyone about my compassionate side, as it will fuck up my hardball persona. :victory:


Your secret soft side is safe with me~ :flower:
Shamshir May 04, 2019 at 22:29 #285616
Wayfarer May 05, 2019 at 00:58 #285637
Reply to Shamshir Entered a post in error but users can’t delete own posts here so replaced the text with *
Shamshir May 05, 2019 at 05:06 #285703
Quoting Wayfarer
Entered a post in error but users can’t delete own posts here so replaced the text with *

Error 404: Wayfarer has lost his way.

Shamshir May 05, 2019 at 16:22 #285908
Quoting Frank Apisa
unless one can establish something as possible...it is, at a minimum, POSSIBLE.

Woah.
Frank Apisa May 05, 2019 at 16:26 #285910
Quoting Shamshir
Shamshir
123

unless one can establish something as possible...it is, at a minimum, POSSIBLE. — Frank Apisa

Woah.


Not sure if you are disagreeing or not.

It is as true as 2 + 2 = 4 in base 10.
S May 05, 2019 at 17:55 #285938
Reply to Shamshir Ha! That's funny, and it's even funnier that he doesn't see it.
Shamshir May 12, 2019 at 19:14 #288722
Quoting Baden
You basically just called me British. I demand an apology too.

:clap:
unenlightened May 29, 2019 at 19:15 #293011
Quoting Wayfarer
You can’t have a functioning democracy where the main role of the head of the Justice Department is covering up the President’s felonies.


More broadly, a state that runs on lies and falsehood becomes unstable.
Shamshir June 02, 2019 at 06:02 #293740
Quoting I like sushi
There is certainly a plethora of guns in the US which we could suggest is indicative of gnu deaths

I'm sorry, I had to do it. :clap:
I like sushi June 02, 2019 at 06:10 #293741
Reply to Shamshir Someone’s gotta speak up for them poor wildebeest! :lol:
unenlightened June 10, 2019 at 20:29 #296415
Quoting mcdoodle
...who could be more typical of all women and men who ever lived than 23 Columbia University students having a scan for a neuroscience experiment?


Ooh, Sir. I know sir. Me sir.
Shamshir June 11, 2019 at 17:18 #296671
Quoting Pattern-chaser
if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a dick, it's probably a duck

User image
Pattern-chaser June 12, 2019 at 10:13 #296881
Reply to Shamshir I'm going to regret that typo for as long as I'm here in the TPF, aren't I? :blush:
Shamshir June 12, 2019 at 10:24 #296884
Reply to Pattern-chaser Lest you market it well, to which my faith holds stalwart. :pray:
Pattern-chaser June 12, 2019 at 10:43 #296889
:cool:
Shawn June 12, 2019 at 10:53 #296892
Reply to Shamshir

That picture doe. It is infused with so much meaning. The tilt of the ducks head. The arms exuding confidence and exuberation. Just speechless.
frank June 20, 2019 at 15:13 #299548
Harry Hindu:Your replies are an odd thing. So don't.


:100:
S June 27, 2019 at 13:39 #301505
Quoting Paul
On average, philosophers are windbags who talk past each other making mountains out of molehills and trying to verbally beat each other up.
Sir2u June 28, 2019 at 02:15 #301696
Reply to S :snicker: :smirk:
ArguingWAristotleTiff June 29, 2019 at 16:37 #302144
I'd say that makes you a more introspective and honest person than the majority of humans. It's a good thing. Go with it and cultivate that. In the long run, you'll have more refined and interesting ideas to show for it. Just make sure it doesn't become debilitating.

@NKBJ
Editor: I am not sure how to get a -name link at the end of the quote. I might be rusty!
S July 16, 2019 at 08:52 #307271
Quoting RW Standing
There is no point in discussing values until the whole is portrayed graphically. End-values or elemental forms of society then show themselves. In the ultimate analysis we simply have a choice between them, or do as we must do. [B]Keep your replies in plain English[/b].
S July 16, 2019 at 09:33 #307295
Quoting Baden
So, it's rubbish but it's certainly mostly true?


:lol:
RegularGuy August 01, 2019 at 21:36 #312233
Quoting S
There is no point in discussing values until the whole is portrayed graphically. End-values or elemental forms of society then show themselves. In the ultimate analysis we simply have a choice between them, or do as we must do. Keep your replies in plain English.
— RW Standing


This actually makes sense to me.
S August 15, 2019 at 15:13 #315900
Quoting Noah Te Stroete
This actually makes sense to me.


It makes sense to me that it would make sense to you.
RegularGuy August 15, 2019 at 15:22 #315902
Quoting S
There is no point in discussing values until the whole is portrayed graphically. End-values or elemental forms of society then show themselves. In the ultimate analysis we simply have a choice between them, or do as we must do.


Premise 1: values are given to wholes, such as persons, pets, sentimental objects, etc.

Premise 2: Some of these wholes have intrinsic value.

Conclusion: We choose between wholes with intrinsic value or sometimes wholes with pragmatic value such as ideas or concepts, or, we do what necessity demands.

Whoever posted the above quote was most likely a marijuana connoisseur.
S August 15, 2019 at 15:42 #315905
Reply to Noah Te Stroete You seem to have misquoted me.
RegularGuy August 15, 2019 at 15:44 #315906
Reply to S That’s why I said “whoever”. I don’t know where the quote came from.
S August 15, 2019 at 15:56 #315912
Quoting Noah Te Stroete
That’s why I said “whoever”. I don’t know where the quote came from.


You must be new around here.
S August 16, 2019 at 10:26 #316310
Quoting god must be atheist
...and since my posts were not responded to, IN A WAY I UNDERSTAND but people wanted to react, they decided to put a million-word posts in response to what I have written.


Annoying, isn't it?
god must be atheist August 16, 2019 at 11:30 #316337
Quoting Bill Hobba
...and had to do a IQ test. It was 151 so IQ was not an issue (its really about 130 - the test was biased heavily towards logic ... )


Well, I guess you're right... society does not value logic as a means of being reasonable. Reason and high IQ is commonly attributed to poise, charm, lots of dough, a flashy sports car, or good looks, and / or allegedly being fantastic in bed.

(... not to misconstrue, Bill Hobba, that you lack in the qualities listed... 130 still puts you in the top 2%.)
S August 16, 2019 at 18:03 #316516
Quoting charles ferraro
Arthur Schopenhauer claimed that the human brain (the understanding) spontaneously constructed perceptual objects by applying (a) the pure “a priori” intuitions of space and time and (b) the transcendental principle of cause and effect to the body’s subjective “under the skin” sensations.

I consider this claim to be valid and to have been a significant advance over Kant’s epistemology.

However, neither Schopenhauer, nor Kant, ever attempted to explain where the body’s subjective sensations came from in the first place; i.e., what the nature of their originating source might have been prior to the brain’s construction of the perceptual objects out of them.

Schopenhauer did provide an explanation for the originating source of perceptual objects; viz., the brain’s activity, but he did not provide an explanation for the originating source of the bodily sensations that comprised those perceptual objects. Nor did he try to determine if the originating source which preceded the body’s sensations bore any resemblance to the constructed perceptual objects which succeeded the body’s sensations.

In other words, I submit that the perceptual objects (which are after-the-fact constructions of the causes of the given sensations by the brain) are merely “purported” causes of the sensations because we can never be certain that the brain’s spontaneously constructed perceptual objects actually coincide with the “real” cause(s) of the subjective sensations, which cause(s) would necessarily have “predated” the brain’s act of spontaneous construction.

What's your opinion?


Quoting I like sushi
[B]Fast forward to present day neuroscience and find your answer.[B]
S August 23, 2019 at 17:44 #319553
Quoting god must be atheist
My baby keeps me amused. She has orifice.


:brow:

Should we call the NSPCC?
Shamshir August 25, 2019 at 12:33 #320124
Quoting Terrapin Station
Brian states have electrochemical properties.

@BrianW Can you confirm~?
Terrapin Station August 25, 2019 at 12:40 #320126
Reply to Shamshir

I don't think you need confirmation of that from Brian, either, unless you have no knowledge of physiology. ;-)
Shamshir August 26, 2019 at 18:40 #320508
Quoting rlclauer
how do I delete comments?

As per the title.
ArguingWAristotleTiff September 17, 2019 at 17:51 #329930
[quote=Baden] Can we try not to harass posters who want to leave? Seeing as we don't know what their personal situation is an' all. Thank you. [/quote]
Well said Baden Thank you :up:
Baden September 17, 2019 at 20:23 #329964
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff

Welcomes. :smile:
ArguingWAristotleTiff September 18, 2019 at 13:50 #330411
Quoting S
you know, I'm trying my best to be a nice and considerate philosopher. So, perhaps you can help me. If someone has a religious belief which is stupid or ridiculous, what should I do? Should I give them a hug

Yippee :party: Gotcha :rofl:
Hugggss work!!!!

S September 18, 2019 at 13:54 #330412
Shamshir September 20, 2019 at 12:18 #331217
Quoting PhilCF
This forum is impossible... it's a load of guys trying to be more pedantic than the next.

Quoting PhilCF
And your closing sentence is completely wrong.

In to the closet of irony I lay these bones.
PhilCF September 20, 2019 at 12:48 #331228
Reply to Shamshir Both statements are completely true.

Tell me clearly and concisely, where are the holes in my arguments?

I'll wait for the tumbleweed.

Ignorance is just vile.
Shamshir September 20, 2019 at 12:51 #331232
Reply to PhilCF You pedantically whine about pedantry. Please stop.
S September 20, 2019 at 13:05 #331242
Quoting PhilCF
Tell me clearly and concisely, where are the holes in my arguments?


There's a big hole right at the very start, when you begin, "The meaning of life is...".
ArguingWAristotleTiff October 28, 2019 at 13:09 #346420
Quoting god must be atheist
What ever you do, try not to make plans to off your wife or husband. Prison is a lonely place, though you are closer than arms-length with most other inmates.


:lol:
Wayfarer December 31, 2019 at 05:02 #367268
Quoting Gregory
When I listen to sitar music I have nominalistic thoughts.

Michael February 14, 2020 at 22:26 #382804
Quoting Gregory
People are allowed to inflict pain on someone to give them sexual pleasure,.But up to a point because there is a discrete difference between enjoying sex and being suicidal. There is no soul though because truth is relative, coming from within since it is unsubstantial
Wheatley June 24, 2020 at 10:52 #427235
Quoting StreetlightX
Anyone who cites Prager U disqualifies themselves from being taken seriously, ever.

You guys should be more happy @ssu @Tzeentch @StreetlightX (source). :broken: :rage: :fire: :death: :
Wheatley June 30, 2020 at 00:56 #429934
Quoting Brett
from countries like Africa or Asia.


ArguingWAristotleTiff July 04, 2020 at 14:02 #431541
Quoting fishfry
Okay, I'm really done you can definitely have the last word but how can you say you're safe from all this? Don't you follow the news?


:rofl: This took me straight back to my first time as a teen in love playing the "I'm really going to hang up now...are you still there?" banter. :flower:
Thanks for the memory :heart:
fishfry July 06, 2020 at 04:13 #432105
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
This took me straight back to my first time as a teen in love playing the "I'm really going to hang up now...are you still there?" banter. :flower:
Thanks for the memory


Are you saying my posting style comes across as a petulant teenager? Well maybe it does at that! LOL
ArguingWAristotleTiff February 05, 2021 at 20:12 #497236
Quoting Benkei
It sucks that the only thing the English successfully exported since Brexit is a virus.

:joke:
ArguingWAristotleTiff June 05, 2021 at 13:15 #546800
Quoting praxis
Socrates gadflying in public, totally cray cray.

The Greek are rolling in their graves! :lol:
ArguingWAristotleTiff June 09, 2021 at 21:12 #548373
Mind blown :scream:
Tiberiusmoon June 11, 2021 at 21:16 #549148
"Any machine can be a smoke machine if you operate it wrong enough"
--Orangepek0e
ArguingWAristotleTiff June 12, 2021 at 13:32 #549383
ArguingWAristotleTiff June 26, 2021 at 15:26 #557007
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ArguingWAristotleTiff June 26, 2021 at 18:01 #557105
Quoting T Clark
I live in the suburbs. We aren't zoned for Jesus.


:rofl:
Sir2u June 26, 2021 at 19:13 #557147
I think that this thread is morphing into the "Quotable Quotes" section of the Readers Digest.
ArguingWAristotleTiff October 23, 2021 at 22:36 #610847
Quoting jamalrob
Maybe I was reading it uncharitably.


:flower: Thank you for being you :flower:

Jamal October 25, 2021 at 11:24 #611547
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
Thank you for being you


It seems I can't help it, no matter how hard I try. :wink:
ArguingWAristotleTiff December 03, 2021 at 21:23 #627451
Quoting T Clark
Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not wrong.

:joke:
T Clark December 03, 2021 at 21:26 #627455
Reply to ArguingWAristotleTiff

That is written on my family coat of arms.
ArguingWAristotleTiff December 15, 2021 at 01:49 #631504
Quoting john27
Well obviously the ending has its own merit, but when all things are said and done the end of the road only really serves to look back on the journey.

I flipped out of the thread this quote was in but what you said caught my eye and I had to go back and read whole quote again.
Nice perspective :flower:

john27 December 17, 2021 at 12:45 #632176
Pinprick December 17, 2021 at 21:13 #632343
ArguingWAristotleTiff January 16, 2022 at 14:39 #643801
Quoting god must be atheist
You do it one more time and I pass out in a fit of ecstasy.

Just please wait five minutes... I need to get comfortable. You don't want me to pass out with my bladder full.

(I know I am just bladdering now.)


The Philosophy Forum Sunday Funnies :lol:

god must be atheist January 16, 2022 at 16:51 #643833
Quoting ArguingWAristotleTiff
The Philosophy Forum Sunday Funnies


thanks!
Mayor of Simpleton February 11, 2022 at 17:15 #653567
Quoting Astrophel
There may be some truth in it, but truth lies everywhere.


ArguingWAristotleTiff March 21, 2022 at 18:01 #670637
Self-confidence is about problem ownership, admitting mistakes and being prepared to let go of beliefs when they turn out to be wrong. There's no self-confidence in dogma, only a failure to think.

~Benkei
Brilliantly articulated!