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Which comes first? The egg or the Chicken?

Robert G Ortega March 24, 2022 at 20:12 5650 views 34 comments
Dose assumption come first or does another opinion come first: Like theory or some other fact finding?

Comments (34)

I like sushi March 24, 2022 at 20:57 #672797
The egg
DingoJones March 24, 2022 at 21:20 #672810
Reply to I like sushi

Yes, egg. Im curious if your reasoning is the same as mine though. Care to share?
Banno March 24, 2022 at 21:36 #672822
Fish laid eggs well before there were chickens.

EugeneW March 24, 2022 at 21:38 #672823
If we consider the question in a DNA context, the question is: what came first, the protein-based ribosome, or the proteins constructed by them? The answer is, the protein. Which is the chicken.
EugeneW March 24, 2022 at 21:39 #672825
Reply to Banno

But viruses were there long before the fish.
Banno March 24, 2022 at 21:41 #672827
Reply to EugeneW

Your posts are for the most part garbage.

EugeneW March 24, 2022 at 21:53 #672833
Quoting Banno
Your posts are for the most part garbage


That's where the most interesting things are found, my dear@
Agent Smith March 26, 2022 at 10:38 #673704
Is the chicken and egg problem an issue for evolution?

We could say non-egg laying chicken evolved into egg-laying chicken and be done with it, ja?
Joshs March 26, 2022 at 14:45 #673829
Reply to Banno Quoting Banno
Fish laid eggs well before there were chickens.


Did the fish lay the chicken? There oughta be a law.
EugeneW March 26, 2022 at 15:14 #673843
Quoting Agent Smith
We could say non-egg laying chicken evolved into egg-laying chicken and be done with it, ja?


Nee. For the chicken to evolve it needs a next generation to be born. By creating an egg. The egg is an extension of the ribosome that once developed in protein life structures. These resemble the proto chicken. The primordial chicken came first.
Banno March 26, 2022 at 21:22 #673968
Quoting Robert G Ortega
Dose assumption come first or does another opinion come first: Like theory or some other fact finding?


Your question was lost in the rush to mediocrity. The answer, of course, is that you cannot have one without the other; an assumption is an opinion, yet an opinion can only stand on that which it assumes. This is not a vicious circularity so much as a holism.
EugeneW March 26, 2022 at 22:43 #674002
After the opinion is established, if the egg is laid, it is said that the reality the opinion is about has functioned like the chicken that was there first.
Hanover March 27, 2022 at 02:28 #674065
The rooster came first, as males often do, which fertilized the egg, which was then laid, which was then sat upon by the hen, which resulted in a hot little chick, who was eventually noticed by another rooster, and the laying cycle began again.
Present awareness March 27, 2022 at 02:50 #674069
The chicken is just an eggs way of making another egg.
Deleted User March 27, 2022 at 03:02 #674073
The chickeggen separated into chicken and egg.
Agent Smith March 27, 2022 at 05:55 #674114
Quoting Banno
Your question was lost in the rush to mediocrity.


:up:

To formulate a theory, assumptions are necessary.

To make assumptions, one needs a context (a theory).

Which came first, assumptions or theories?

Excellent question. I don't have a ready answer OP.
Banno March 27, 2022 at 06:09 #674117
Reply to Agent Smith

As I said, Quoting Banno
The answer, of course, is that you cannot have one without the other; an assumption is an opinion, yet an opinion can only stand on that which it assumes. This is not a vicious circularity so much as a holism.


Neither can come first, hence neither does; the problem can only be an error in conceptualisation.
Agent Smith March 27, 2022 at 06:54 #674125
Quoting Banno
Neither can come first


Ok, that means there's a tertium quid (a third, unknown). Do you have a theory as to what that could be?
EugeneW March 27, 2022 at 07:07 #674129
Quoting Banno
Neither can come first, hence neither does; the problem can only be an error in conceptualisation


RUBBISH

It's the chicken that comes first. The proto chickens looked eeagerlyfor new ways. Then they invented the proto egg and the proto rooster. Voila!
I like sushi March 27, 2022 at 10:12 #674186
Reply to DingoJones I prefer eggs. They are more versatile.
EugeneW March 27, 2022 at 10:30 #674194
Reply to I like sushi

I prefer the rooster. sprays life into the egg.
I like sushi March 27, 2022 at 10:41 #674199
A more serious answer in terms of evolution:

https://www.newscientist.com/question/came-first-chicken-egg/
I like sushi March 27, 2022 at 10:41 #674200
Reply to EugeneW I was thinking in term of cooking :)
EugeneW March 27, 2022 at 10:52 #674210
Quoting I like sushi
I was thinking in term of cooking


So was I! A popular subject on the PF! Rooster, when he has had a good life, brings life to the egg.

More seriously, proteins were there before the ribosomes. The first ribosomes were the proto eggs.
Agent Smith March 27, 2022 at 10:57 #674215
Quoting I like sushi
I prefer eggs. They are more versatile.


@Possibility :point: P-O-T-E-N-T-I-A-L!!!
Agent Smith March 27, 2022 at 10:59 #674216
Quoting Banno
error in conceptualisation


Can you describe this error to us? I'm all ears.
Possibility March 27, 2022 at 11:18 #674222
Quoting Agent Smith
Possibility :point: P-O-T-E-N-T-I-A-L!!!


Bingo!
Agent Smith March 27, 2022 at 11:20 #674224
Quoting Possibility
Bingo!


Which came first? Chicken or egg?
Banno March 27, 2022 at 19:48 #674404
Quoting Agent Smith
Can you describe this error to us? I'm all ears.


I did, and as so often, you missed it. I'll not do it a third time.
EugeneW March 27, 2022 at 19:57 #674406
Quoting Agent Smith
P-O-T-E-N-T-I-A-L!!!


The potential is virtual. The rooster is real.
Agent Smith March 28, 2022 at 05:20 #674513
Quoting Banno
I did, and as so often, you missed it. I'll not do it a third time.


No, you didn't. Where is it then? Links would help.
Agent Smith March 28, 2022 at 05:20 #674514
Quoting EugeneW
The potential is virtual. The rooster is real.


:up:
Agent Smith March 28, 2022 at 05:21 #674515
Quoting Banno
The answer, of course, is that you cannot have one without the other; an assumption is an opinion, yet an opinion can only stand on that which it assumes. This is not a vicious circularity so much as a holism


Expand and elaborare...please. :smile:
EugeneW March 28, 2022 at 06:08 #674531
Seems the egg, the opinion, comes after that what the opinion is about, the rooster. Without the rooster fertile opinions can exist, laid by mother the hen, but it still needs a rooster to let the opinion touch with the reality it's based on. Which leads to the ultimate question: which came first, the rooster or the sperm? Seems the answer is obvious.