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It Was the Best of Times, It Was the Worst of Times by Leghorn

Baden December 24, 2021 at 23:48 2375 views 31 comments
[Mod Note: This story was not written in good faith but as an attempt to be racist or sexist (or whatever). Considering the comments, it's obviously not an effective attempt to do that, so there's probably no harm in leaving it here.]

...’cause we had come through the pandemic and vaccines had been made available, but a lot of ppl chose not to get them. You can imagine the state of things: hospitals started filling up with patients again, and morgues were overflowing with bodies as people were still piling maskless into restaurants and supermarkets.

I got my vaccine, and got boosted as soon as allowed. I posted a picture on Facebook of the “I Got Vaccinated!” sticker on my tee-shirt, but a lot of my friends gave me grief: they said things like, “why are you wimping-out like that? Why don’t you stand up for your freedom?” and things like that. I got way more thumbs-downs than thumbs-ups. Then I lost my job when the factory shut down after the second wave hit. Suddenly I had all this time on my hands, no money to buy anything, and no one to spend it with anyways. It was awfully lonely and boring. This was the “worst of times” part of it...

...But then I did a TikTok video of me dancing and singing and saying funny things about people who won’t get vaccinated and—lo and behold!—it went viral. Suddenly I had all these new friends. They were a lot more tolerant than my old friends I had lost—well, they were tolerant in some ways, but not so tolerant in others: they liked me getting vaccinated, but they didn’t like me eating all those steaks, and they told me so: it was cruel and inhumane, and left a big ole fat ugly carbon footprint; and they didn’t like me toting my groceries in plastic bags. “But the grocery store gave them to me,” I told them, “and they make really good trash-can liners,”...

...but I was eating a lot of steaks ‘cause these companies started paying me to wear their clothes or hats or shoes or whatever in my videos, and I suddenly had a lot of money. And I love steaks, especially marinated fillet mignons cooked on the grill, with a baked potato slathered with butter and sour cream. Adidas sent me an e-mail wanting me to wear their shoes, and I replied, “Sure! I used to walk the halls of Carolina back in ‘81 with Michael Jordan. We had a class in the same building, and when the bell rang and we all piled into the hallway there he would be, walking out with his fawning buddies ranged on either side, smiling the smile of a guy who knows he’s the biggest man on campus. Anyways, I’ve always loved that swoosh!” They told me that “Mr. Jordan”represented “a different shoe company”, and I told them that was okay, that I would be their Michael Jordan. It was like a dream come true, to be like Mike and all. This was the best-of-times part of it...

...Then some of my old buddies started trying to cozy up to me again, since I had all this sudden fame and wealth. At first I was very acceptant of them: I’m not somebody to shun people. But when it became clear they just wanted to ride my gravy train and get what they could out of it, I cut them all off; especially when they started wanting me to make videos of me bleaching the vaccine out of my system, or wearing a Fuck Biden tee-shirt. I told them I wanted my vaccine, that I didn’t want to end up dead like so many of their uncles and aunts had, and grandmas and grandpas. They said, “They’re in a better place.” I told them, “Well, why don’t you die and go there and see how good it is?”

By now I had a live-streaming podcast and was on Instagram and Twitter and all that stuff. All the attention was really great, but I got so tired of staring at a screen all day and clicking on this and that. I used to go for walks in the park that were so refreshing...or boring, or whatever. I mean, what used to seem boring seemed refreshing now in my imagination...

...So one day I got a call from a viewer on my cast, and at first she was real congenial and all and we talked and laughed for a good minute or two...then all a sudden she turns on me and starts complaining about how I don’t recycle my beer cans and how I smoke—which is bad for me—and that I don’t respect the rights of women, etc, etc...

...now I must confess that I was confused and upset in that instant, and didn’t know where she was coming from, but turns out she was referring to a comment I made a couple days earlier about how a woman shouldn’t even be allowed to have sex if she isn’t gonna raise the baby...

Now, I don’t regret having said that, and I didn’t regret it then, but when she kept on pressing and pestering me about it, I just lost my cool: I screamed, “Why don’t all you women just get hysterectomies! Then we wouldn’t have a problem, would we?”

That’s where I fell off my gravy-train: ‘cause everybody started calling in, and Adidas didn’t want me to be their Mike anymore, and I got a lot more thumbs-downs than thumbs-ups; and suddenly I didn’t have enough money to buy fillet mignons or cigarettes anymore, but had to start eating beanie-weenies with saltine crackers and rolling my smokes instead—that was the worst of times...

...I pleaded with all my sponsors that I was really sorry, that I would straighten up and be better if they’d just keep the money flowing. They said it wasn’t that easy, that I had to “put in the work”. They suggested sensitivity training and anger-management classes. They said there would be a long probationary period for me, and they would assess my progress afterwards, so I signed up for some classes ASAP...

...In anger class we learned how destructive it can be. We learned ways of giving it safe outlets: like, instead of hitting your mate, taking a plastic baseball bat and beating a cushion. You would not believe how furiously some of those guys went at it! One guy beat his cushion so hard that stuffing was flying all over the room—it was like snowing in there!—and his bat got all bent up and he was sweating so much a pool of water collected on the floor: we had to get a mop-bucket and vacuum in there to clean it all up...

...There weren’t many women, mostly men, but right beside me for every class sat this woman who glared at me constantly in such a menacing way I was afraid to look at her—maybe she recognized me from my podcast, I don’t know. But whenever I coughed or shifted my position or even moved my hand I could feel her turn her gaze toward me. I got to where I just sat stock-still—which is a hard thing to do for 90 minutes.

In sensitivity we learned the long history of men’s oppression of women. The only woman in there was the teacher. She taught us how men were always tripping over their own balls, and that a vagina, being an empty space, could be filled with whatever a woman wants to fill it with—or be left empty. I had never thought of it like that before. What freedom women have! I got to the point that I was seriously considering getting myself neutered...

...but when I talked about it with a buddy of mine over some beers—and btw, I recycled the cans—he said, “Dude, when you take a shower and reach down to lather those Bad Boys up and there’s...nothing...?” I had to admit he had a point: I could imagine the horror. So I changed my mind about that.

But the most important thing I learned was that a guy shouldn’t treat a woman as a woman, I mean, as a weaker creature in need of his help. The instructor took turns with us practicing going through a door together: we weren’t supposed to open it for her, but let her open it for herself—and even let her hold it open for us to go in first. I have to admit this was hard for me, cause my mama taught me to be a gentleman and all that, and I told my instructor about it. She said my mama had been brainwashed by my daddy, that he just used that to keep her in her place...

...now here I have to admit my anger-management training came in handy, cause what she said pissed me off royally; ‘cause I loved my daddy, and I didn’t think he ever abused my mama. So I remembered to take a deep breath, swallow my anger—literally: “gulp!”—and calmly recite, “I don’t agree with that, but I see you have a different point of view, and I respect that, and will take it under consideration..,” but when I got back home the first thing I did after walking through the door was go get my plastic baseball bat and......well, it’s made out of recyclable plastic...

As soon as I passed both classes I e-mailed all my sponsors right away with the good news. I actually got the Adidas guy on the phone. He acted like he didn’t know who I was, but when I told him I was “Adidas Mike” he said, “Oh yeah, Adidas Mike! How are you?” I told him I was doing fine, that I had passed all my sensitivity classes and all, and he said, “That’s great, Mike! Uh...well, it’s been a few months, and...well, we have a new guy now. I’m sure you’ve seen the ads online.” No I hadn’t, I told him glumly...

...”Oh yeah!” he said, “he’s great! He’s a famous Kenyan distance runner. He runs all over town, and when he sees someone wearing our shoes he points at them and says, ‘No, no, no! Not like Mike!’ then laughs with that infectious guttural African laugh, with that deep ‘ho ho ho!’ that’s like from an African Santa Claus. I’m surprised you haven’t seen it. Well Mike,...so the situation is like this...”

I cut him off. I hung up. I could see how much the hard work I put in was worth. And I never got a single response back from any of my other sponsors. This was the worst of times all over again.

Now I was penniless like before and starving and taking long boring walks in the park—why did I ever miss them?—when one day I was walking along smoking a home-rolled cigarette and trying to figure out what to do next when I heard a distant “No no no! not like Mike!” followed by a deep guttural “Ho ho ho!” that really uplifted me and put me in the Christmas spirit—till I realized who it had to be. Sure enough, I could see a tall lanky black figure coming my way down the path...

...I glanced down at my feet—why was I still wearing those stupid Adidases?—and before I knew it they were about to swoosh past me, him and the cameraman: “No no no! Not like Mike!” he pointed at my shoes. “Yes yes yes!” I blurted out, “exactly like Mike!” and stepped in front of him, bringing him to a halt. He just stood before me with a goofy smile on his face. The cameraman kept going on a little ways, then came back, still recording: “Ho ho ho!” cried the goofy smile...

...”Do you know who I am?” I said. “No no no!” came the reply. “Well let me tell you: I’m Adidas Mike, the guy whose contract you took over, the guy who used to have your job. The guy who was gonna get his job back if some silly shit-hole-country athlete didn’t come along while I was getting sensitivity training and took it away from me unlawfully...what do you have to say to that you fake Santa Claus, you illegal immigrant, you—“, and then I used some language that is not reproducible; I mean, things you just can’t say...

...Now, if he had just run off and left me alone at that point, everything would have turned out a bit differently. But he didn’t. Instead, after I said all those abhorrent nasty abominable things, he just looked at me with that same goofy smile, and cried, “Ho ho ho!” That’s when I flicked my smoke off into the grass and smacked him—and I mean SMACKED!—I hit him with my open hand as hard as I could, right across his face...



...So I’m writing all this while lying on a cot in my cell in the State penitentiary, where I’m now serving a very long sentence for hate-crimes. I couldn’t deny it: it was all caught on video; so, persuaded by my court-appointed lawyer, I pleaded guilty, and avoided life...

...Hey, some ways it’s even better in here: now I take long walks around the perimeter of the “playground”, as we call it, and I really enjoy them, even though I’m surrounded by twelve-foot-tall fences topped with barbed-wire; and I get to smoke real contraband cigarettes; and we make “jail-yard hooch” out of fermented banana peels that’s got a bigger kick than even my old ice beers used to have; and I’ve made friends up in here like I never had in the “free world”, as we call it—people that I identify with and who would have my back in any situation...

...but best of all, I get true respect: whenever I walk down the hall with my buddies, everybody cries, “Here comes Adidas Mike!”—and they give way to me and give me high-fives down the line: after all, I got a contract with Nike to furnish every inmate with free sneakers...

Comments (31)

john27 December 26, 2021 at 18:11 #635283
Nice. Loved the pacing of the story. Good work.
praxis December 26, 2021 at 19:12 #635325
Fun.
_db December 27, 2021 at 01:41 #635516
Funny and irreverent. Grammatical structure and the anti-hero protagonist reminded me of Céline.
Amity December 27, 2021 at 15:37 #635788
It Was the Best of Times, It Was the Worst of Times

***Please Note***
Following this revelation: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/637211
I was wrong about who I thought the author was. Apologies.
I'll leave my original comments.
***

OMG - this is bloody brilliant, where to start...

It reminds me of a story last time round...but this time topical, longer, more substantial in every way.
The other one began: 'His name was Auguste.'
Similar exploration/explosion of rage and women issues - with a slap involved. This time to the face of an African Santa Claus, a winner he blames for taking his job. Can't wait to read on...

Quoting Baden
...’cause we had come through the pandemic and vaccines had been made available, but a lot of ppl chose not to get them. You can imagine the state of things: hospitals started filling up with patients again, and morgues were overflowing with bodies as people were still piling maskless into restaurants and supermarkets.


Right there, we are in the present/future - 'cos we ain't through the pandemic - and the author shows our individual tug-of-war amidst social divisions and arguments about 'freedom'.
The thumbs up and thumbs down see-saw.
The increasing anger and anxiety with real life consequences.

Quoting Baden
It was awfully lonely and boring. This was the “worst of times” part of it...


Yes. A lot of time spent in isolation. Some fine with that...others rail against covid restrictions.
A time to think and be philosophical or rage against the system. Both at the same time!
In a prison, not of our making.

Quoting Baden
...But then I did a TikTok video of me dancing and singing and saying funny things about people who won’t get vaccinated and—lo and behold!—it went viral. Suddenly I had all these new friends. They were a lot more tolerant than my old friends I had lost—well, they were tolerant in some ways, but not so tolerant in others: they liked me getting vaccinated, but they didn’t like me eating all those steaks, and they told me so: it was cruel and inhumane, and left a big ole fat ugly carbon footprint; and they didn’t like me toting my groceries in plastic bags. “But the grocery store gave them to me,” I told them, “and they make really good trash-can liners,”...


Seems he just can't win - even when he can give good reasons for his life choices.
The bags are out there anyway - why not recycle?
Really brings home all the tensions - for all of us - in trying to do right thing.

Quoting Baden
I told them I wanted my vaccine, that I didn’t want to end up dead like so many of their uncles and aunts had, and grandmas and grandpas. They said, “They’re in a better place.” I told them, “Well, why don’t you die and go there and see how good it is?”


The religious argument. It's all in the hands of God. The End Times >>> Heaven :halo:
Worth taking them on, especially when it comes to responsibility for health and care. Life or Death.
Wear the :mask: made by God, doncha know !

Quoting Baden
I used to go for walks in the park that were so refreshing...or boring, or whatever. I mean, what used to seem boring seemed refreshing now in my imagination...


Refreshing or boring. The things we used to take for granted - we might even have complained about the boring repetition of family visits - are now appreciated. A walk is now a miracle of new delights.
Listen to the birds, smell the roses. Appreciate life in all its ups and downs.

But other people, the triggers lying in wait...

Quoting Baden
...I don’t regret having said that, and I didn’t regret it then, but when she kept on pressing and pestering me about it, I just lost my cool: I screamed, “Why don’t all you women just get hysterectomies! Then we wouldn’t have a problem, would we?”


Hysterical.

Hysteria used to be just for women. Yay, equal opportunities :up:
Quoting Wiki: Hysteria
Hysteria is a pejorative term used colloquially to mean ungovernable emotional excess and can refer to a temporary state of mind or emotion.In the 19th century, hysteria was considered a diagnosable physical illness in women...
Furthermore, lifestyle choices, such as deciding not to wed, are no longer considered symptoms of psychological disorders such as hysteria.


Wow. Not a lot of people know that ! Your cage of choice ?

Moving on...

Quoting Baden
In anger class we learned how destructive it can be. We learned ways of giving it safe outlets: like, instead of hitting your mate, taking a plastic baseball bat and beating a cushion. You would not believe how furiously some of those guys went at it! One guy beat his cushion so hard that stuffing was flying all over the room—it was like snowing in there!—and his bat got all bent up and he was sweating so much a pool of water collected on the floor: we had to get a mop-bucket and vacuum in there to clean it all up...


Trouble is...I think some studies have shown that even this doesn't work.
The pent-up energy is furiously expended but only temporarily.
Anger persists for all kinds of reasons.
Imagine the insides of a woman flying over a room...what will it take to clean that up...
Cause and Effect.

Here comes insight...well, up to a point.

Quoting Baden
...now here I have to admit my anger-management training came in handy, cause what she said pissed me off royally; ‘cause I loved my daddy, and I didn’t think he ever abused my mama. So I remembered to take a deep breath, swallow my anger—literally: “gulp!”—and calmly recite, “I don’t agree with that, but I see you have a different point of view, and I respect that, and will take it under consideration..,” but when I got back home the first thing I did after walking through the door was go get my plastic baseball bat and......well, it’s made out of recyclable plastic...


He didn't think? He didn't know or want to know.
Abuse hidden in plain sight.
An interesting perspective on anger management classes.

A 12yr old boy, a school pupil, just laughs when someone suggests counting to 10 before reacting to a bully in the playground...but it's good to learn about the triggers. What sets you off. And gets you into trouble...as the big bully sniggers...
Think on the playground of politics. The criminalisation of protests etc., etc...
Who decides when anger is right or righteous ?

Quoting Baden
.Now, if he had just run off and left me alone at that point, everything would have turned out a bit differently. But he didn’t. Instead, after I said all those abhorrent nasty abominable things, he just looked at me with that same goofy smile, and cried, “Ho ho ho!” That’s when I flicked my smoke off into the grass and smacked him—and I mean SMACKED!—I hit him with my open hand as hard as I could, right across his face...


Unfortunately, some people just aren't aware of another's background.
Who or what they're dealing with...
Ignorance will be punished. Ignorance of the law is no excuse but isn't it the reality...

We need better education. To prevent this:

Quoting Baden
So I’m writing all this while lying on a cot in my cell in the State penitentiary, where I’m now serving a very long sentence for hate-crimes.


Then again. Prison isn't hell for everyone:
[quote="Baden;d12315"..]some ways it’s even better in here[/quote]

Quoting Baden
...but best of all, I get true respect: whenever I walk down the hall with my buddies, everybody cries, “Here comes Adidas Mike!”—and they give way to me and give me high-fives down the line: after all, I got a contract with Nike to furnish every inmate with free sneakers...


His choice?
It makes ya think, don't it ?
Funny, sad and truly bitter-sweet.
Intelligent and creative :100:









Amity December 27, 2021 at 16:06 #635796
Quoting _db
...reminded me of Céline.


Tell me more ? Please :pray:
praxis December 27, 2021 at 16:51 #635809
A notable quality of the writing that I really appreciated is how nicely it flows, like one seamless thought that’s effortless to follow. I imagine that requires more skill or natural talent in writing than may be apparent. The writer makes it look easy, in other words, but it’s not that easy.
Amity December 27, 2021 at 17:58 #635832
Quoting praxis
A notable quality of the writing that I really appreciated is how nicely it flows, like one seamless thought that’s effortless to follow.


I agree. The writer makes it look easy.
I enjoyed the ease of following not just one thought but so many.
Different emotions, people, places...and time.
The pulling of them all together in The Best and The Worst Of... was just brilliant. Real talent. Natural...and skilful.
Noble Dust December 27, 2021 at 18:55 #635843
I'm not sure if it was intentional, but I liked the surreal transition from what sounds like a Gen Z twenty-something doing tiktoks to it being someone who went to college in 1981 and has serious issues leading to a hate crime...wild stuff...
Baden December 31, 2021 at 12:24 #637210
I still think this is kind of funny/stupid with a reasonably good cadence to the writing that draws the reader in. @Leghorn though, who has outed himself as the author says it's deliberately racist and sexist, and feels he has made idiots of us all for not recognizing that, so make of that what you will. :monkey:
Amity December 31, 2021 at 12:47 #637211
Quoting Baden
Leghorn though, who has outed himself as the author says it's deliberately racist and sexist, and feels he has made idiots of us all for not recognizing that, so make of that what you will. :monkey:


Really ?!
Well, that's another author I got wrong. Damn it all.
My initial post now opens with this revelation.

If any story is a clear attempt to deliberately encourage and espouse racism and sexism, then it is recognised as such. It wouldn't have been accepted and leghorn would be banned.

We all know that fictional characters can be nasty and reflect social issues.
That's the whole point :roll:
To make us see and think...














Baden December 31, 2021 at 14:43 #637224
Quoting Amity
We all know that fictional characters can be nasty and reflect social issues.
That's the whole point :roll:
To make us see and think...


:up: Which is one good reason to generally rely on the good faith of authors rather than presuming their characters reflect their views.
Amity December 31, 2021 at 14:56 #637227
Quoting Baden
Which is one good reason to generally rely on the good faith of authors rather than presuming their characters reflect their views.


Yes. Another fascination of mine:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/are-authors-anything-like-the-characters-they-write_b_7225892


praxis December 31, 2021 at 17:49 #637287
Quoting Baden
it's deliberately racist and sexist, and feels he has made idiots of us all for not recognizing that, so make of that what you will.


We just read the story, you’re the one who put his big neo-nazi stamp of approval on it and published it in the contest. :gasp:
Baden December 31, 2021 at 18:40 #637315
Reply to praxis

:halo: I could always remove it now that we know it's essentially empty garbage?
praxis December 31, 2021 at 19:49 #637343
Reply to Baden

Whatever your good conscious permits. :point:
Leghorn January 01, 2022 at 01:36 #637467
Quoting praxis
Whatever your good conscious permits. :point:


Good conscience? The conscience of a guy who posted his own “story” without recognizing that it isn’t of enough words to qualify for the contest??

So, @praxis, you back away now from this sentiment?:

Quoting praxis
We just read the story, you’re the one who put his big neo-nazi stamp of approval on it and published it in the contest. :gasp:


So you are willing to let a guy who is a neo-nazi decide the fate of a man who is honest and just? Baden is just like my protagonist: he is pissed off because he was made an idiot for not realizing that I was making a fool out of him—as he admits—for not recognizing that I was being deliberately racist and sexist.

If my story is “essentially empty garbage”, then what is his?



Baden January 01, 2022 at 02:15 #637483
Reply to Leghorn

That wasn't my story, you silly little man.
Baden January 01, 2022 at 02:26 #637487
Reply to praxis

I just put a note at the start so everyone immediately knows it's garbage and doesn't bother commenting on it.

@Leghorn You're banned from this event for being toxic. And try growing up; honestly, you're like a little kid who pisses on the floor of the classroom and thinks he's archieved something because the teacher didn't notice. But you've achieved nothing, you're just standing in a pool of piss.

Anyway, on with the show, folks. :strong:
praxis January 01, 2022 at 05:12 #637508
Quoting Leghorn
Good conscience? The conscience of a guy who posted his own “story” without recognizing that it isn’t of enough words to qualify for the contest??


You gotta figure that Marco is written by a mod, and with generous use of the term “twat”, must be a mod from the British isles. Crude enough British isles mod could only be Baden or Michael. If you do an advanced search, both have used the term in approximately equal measure, though to my dismay, Baden once referred to me as a twat. Well bloody fuck all!

Anyway, I’m inclined to believe Baden when he says that he’s not the author. It doesn’t much matter anyway since he was apparently so enthusiastic about the “story” that he overlooked the basic qualification that you mention.

By the way, I’ve seen so much left/right satire over the last few years that your story barely registered. I had to just skim though it in order to recall what it was about. I liked the writing for the reason that I mentioned earlier, but the story itself is completely forgettable, like an episode of a sitcom that was mildly amusing at the time but you’d have trouble remembering the next day.

Quoting Leghorn
So you are willing to let a guy who is a neo-nazi decide the fate of a man who is honest and just?


Honestly, I thought you guys were kidding around, but now I see that Baden has placed a mod note at the head of your story and, bloody fuck all, there’s no mode note at the head of The Ballad of Marco. :razz:
Amity January 01, 2022 at 07:40 #637537
Quoting praxis
I see that Baden has placed a mod note at the head of your story and, bloody fuck all, there’s no mode note at the head of The Ballad of Marco


Indeed. 'Marco' is apparently a mod 'joke'. Baden would know if this is the case; he knows who all the authors are. The 'story' accepted without further scrutiny e.g. word count.
If the author is a mod, this seems an example of: 'One rule for some, another rule for others'.
Already, the Marco has been given more attention than others in the main thread.

Quoting Baden
I just put a note at the start so everyone immediately knows it's garbage and doesn't bother commenting on it.


Quoting Baden
[Mod Note: This story was not written in good faith but as an attempt to be racist or sexist (or whatever). It's obviously not an intelligent or effective attempt to do that, so there's probably no harm in leaving it here.]


A bit late for not commenting !
In any case, the story is not garbage - the comments reveal that. No matter the intent of the author, the story highlights the issues and makes us think. Pretty much good fiction, no ?

So much tomfoolery in the soap opera that is TPF.




Amity January 01, 2022 at 07:47 #637539
Quoting praxis
You gotta figure that Marco is written by a mod, and with generous use of the term “twat”, must be a mod from the British isles.


Again, the author (apparently a mod) need not be British to use the repeated phrase:
'an annoying fucking twat'.

Just as an author needn't be racist if his character is one.

I'm beyond caring either way; ending my participation.
The short story competition has indeed become a bit of a joke, not just the poll.




Baden January 01, 2022 at 12:51 #637574
Reply to Amity Reply to praxis

I could always put a note on "The Ballad of Marco". But at least the author wrote it in good faith and wasn't trying to troll the competition. Maybe because it's a mod in-joke, it doesn't come across too well though, which is fair enough.

Edit: Note added.
Baden January 01, 2022 at 13:35 #637585
Quoting Amity
In any case, the story is not garbage - the comments reveal that.


Strictly speaking, yes, I'm a proponent of the death of the author. The story is what it's interpreted to be. From that perspective, it doesn't matter what @Leghorn's intentions were.

Leghorn January 03, 2022 at 01:25 #638087
BBC INTERVIEW WITH LEGHORN, CONTROVERSIAL TPF AUTHOR

Reporter: Thank you for granting us this exclusive interview, Leghorn.

Leghorn: You’re welcome.

R: How long have you been a member of The Philosophy Forum?

L: Oh, something over a year, I think.

R: How would you characterize your experience participating in it over this time?

L: Well, that’s a complicated question; or, rather, there’s a complicated answer to that simple question.

R: Would you care to elaborate?

L: This isn’t the first Internet forum I have participated in. I was part of an old forum devoted to Leo Strauss called Straussian.net, I think, back in the twenty-aughts, but, unfortunately, it got cancelled, and the domain was taken over by Philosophy beauty products. I was also in Mocospace for a couple of years once, and the philosophy section of a certain dating site before that. Of these, the Strauss forum was undeniably superior. I can’t say that TPF has proven to be of undeniably better quality than any of those—though I have met a couple of people in TPF who seem genuinely interested in philosophy and have influenced me to a certain extent...

The ostensibly good thing about Internet forums is that you can form a relationship with people anywhere on the globe, with people you would never otherwise meet; the problem is that the participants are really just an infinitesimally tiny fraction of that population, and they tend to form a tight cliquish impenetrable knot that doesn’t appreciate outside scrutiny or dissent.

R: And you have certainly been a great dissenter, haven’t you? I mean, you have really protested against the moderators for their proclivity to ban members for posts that violate TPF’s policy.

L: Yes I have, and I appreciate you bringing that up...

Freedom of speech is a concept that was developed centuries ago for the protection of philosophy and philosophers. Now it is doing battle with the current prejudices of our age, which don’t admit of certain opinions.

R: Opinions like...?

L: Well, I don’t want to jump back into that fray...

Suffice it to say that every age, every culture, day and time has its prejudices, the things that are forbidden to be questioned. Freedom of speech was supposed to give us all the freedom to inquire into any most controversial topic, but that was just a mistake of the Enlighteners: as I said, every day has its forbidden things.

R: What about this most recent controversy you created, I mean, the penning of that racist and misogynistic piece for the story competition? Did you do that deliberately, just to see how far you could push the envelope?

L: Yes and no. I mean...just after the competition was announced, I had come off the latest confrontation with the administration over a banning; so, I was primed for the topic. That was what was on my mind as I began to write...

But I didn’t deliberately or consciously make the piece racist...

R: But, excuse me, that is exactly what the administration accused you of—and you admitted it yourself in one of your posts!

L: Well, honestly, the reason I did that was because I began to see what a sham the story competition had turned out to be, and I decided to just out myself and put in my two-cents-worth and be done with it...

...I see now that another well-respected member has had enough of this farce herself, and has said she is done with participating. I feel a lot of compassion for her, and she took the time to critique my story, along with a lot of the other stories that were submitted. She pointed out something in my story I hadn’t recognized: that it is very probable that the protagonist’s father DID abuse his mother...

But I mean...Man! Like a lot of us put a lot of time and effort and enthusiasm into our stories, and thought that ppl would read them and appreciate them...only to find out that a stupid joke story got let in that led the voting! That shows the poisonous cliquish-ness I mentioned earlier.

R: I understand that because of that outing, you have now been banned from participating in future story competitions. How do you feel about that?

L: Honestly, I wish I had just been banned from the forum altogether. I had already made a New Years resolution to quit frequenting the site, as it was drawing me away from my customary studies. And I suppose one of the greatest pleasures I got out of participating was being a part of the story competitions, ‘cause I love to write stories, and this part of the forum drew a latent talent out of me that I don’t otherwise enjoy.

R: You have been a rather fierce opponent of censorship and bannings. In fact, you got your name changed to Leghorn when you requested that change of the moderators after they banned a certain “Foghorn”, didn’t you?

L: Yes, that’s true: I wanted to pay honor to my fallen brother in the war against censorship...

...But censorship is a serious thing. TPF can erase your posts and threads, and when they ban you, you aren’t forced to drink hemlock or move to Tomi, but their censorship reflects the censorship that is currently going on in “the real world”. As we speak, books are being banned by the Left for content that is either subtly racist or misogynist or “homophobic”—a word I don’t like, by the way, because it is inaccurate: those who disapprove of homosexuals aren’t necessarily afraid of them, they just disapprove of them—and by the Right for making white kids feel guilty about slavery, or for corrupting the traditional gender distinctions. Left and Right are now united in a common cause, the erosion of the corpus of our literature: one party’s rats gnaw away at the body on one end, while the other party’s rats gnaw away at it from the other. I suppose they will eventually meet somewhere in the middle, but what kind of world will that be, when the entire corpus has been devoured?

R: You seem to have a very dark outlook on the future of speech and books in contemporary society.

L: Yes I do, and that’s because the future of free speech and even philosophy in our day and time is predicated on the freedom of thought, and the freedom of thought is being assailed with slings and darts from so many angles now, it is like the three hundred Spartans trapped in the straights of Thermopylae...

I used to frequent the local library here where I live for one purpose: they had a Greek dictionary in the Reference section, and I didn’t. So, I went there to look up difficult words I was encountering in my studies...

Then one day I go in there to reference the dictionary and discover that it is gone—along with the Latin dictionary and many other books. I inquired into the matter of the staff, and they informed me that it had been placed on the “free” rack: they needed more room for electronic media...

Now, I hid my anger from them in that moment, but after I got back home I penned a long letter to them raking them over the coals for what they had done. The gist of my letter was that the very people who are appointed to guard the books for the use of everyone, the librarians, shouldn’t be giving them out to anyone to take privately home.

R: I take it that books have been very important to you throughout your life.

L: Crucial. I have had several best friends at different times throughout my life, but certain books I encountered at certain points in my life, from adolescence to late manhood, have had a far greater impact on me. I guess you could say that those books have been my true friends.

R: And I don’t suppose you’ve found any true friends in TPF.

L: Well, true friends are hard to find in your own day and time. I suppose Plato and Xenophon were very lucky to have found Socrates, and Bloom to have found Strauss, but for the rest of us, we might be even more lucky to stumble upon The Republic, or Closing of the American Mind.

R: Are you saying, Leghorn, that books are better friends than actual people? How can you defend that austere position?

L: I can’t defend it. All I can say is that those who have experienced it know what I’m talking about: it is not a common experience.

R: Well, thanks again for granting us this interview, Leghorn. I wish you the best, regardless of what happens to you in TPF.

L: Thank you all at the BBC for taking an interest in me and the forum.

R: Before we close—and we’ve got thirty seconds or so—let me ask you: what did you do regarding your Greek studies after the library gave the dictionary away?

L: Well!...I told the story to some good friends of mine, an elderly couple, and they surprised me on my birthday with an excellent intermediate edition of Liddell and Scott. I thought I could never repay them—until he became unable to walk, and I furnished him with an electric wheelchair: one my neighbor had languishing in his garage. All they had to do was buy new rechargeable batteries for it.

R: So people CAN be your best friends on occasion.

L: Yes, I suppose that is true.

R: We’re out of time. Thanks again, Leghorn.

L: My pleasure.
praxis January 03, 2022 at 04:03 #638129
R: Mentioning it in the same breath as free-speech, it’s as though you’re suggesting that the library putting an old dictionary on the ‘free’ rack is equivalent to book burning. This makes me uncomfortable. How do you feel about that?

Btw, https://www.lexilogos.com
Leghorn January 03, 2022 at 09:32 #638179
@praxis

To me, that book was not “an old dictionary”, but rather “an old friend”. Whenever I went to the library to seek it out for help, there it would be, in the same spot on the same shelf, waiting to help me...

Electronic media are wonderful, and since I have become connected to the internet I have made much use of them to my benefit, and enjoyed advantages that I would never have enjoyed before being so connected...but there is no substitute for a solid book under your hands whose worn pages you can turn with your fingers...

I bought a Latin dictionary 25 years ago to initiate my study of Roman literature. It sits within arms-length right now beside me: she is a very old and much-used lady, moldy, with packing tape holding her binding together; and when I open her up, I find not just what she has to offer, but all the thousands of my half-legible notes scribbled onto the margins that I made during all those years that connect her with me, and with the literature she was written to interpret...

You cannot have that sort of relationship with an internet data-base.





Leghorn January 03, 2022 at 09:48 #638183
@praxis

An afterthought: an internet relationship with a person compared with a real-life one is a good analogy to having a real book under your hands as opposed to an electronic one: you can see and hear and touch a person who is in your presence, whereas your “electronic” friend is distant, untouchable, and only known by the letters they peck out on a keyboard and send to you through the wondrous medium of electro-magnetism.
Nils Loc January 12, 2022 at 19:24 #642033
[quote=praxis]A notable quality of the writing that I really appreciated is how nicely it flows, like one seamless thought that’s effortless to follow. I imagine that requires more skill or natural talent in writing than may be apparent. The writer makes it look easy, in other words, but it’s not that easy.[/quote]

:100:

Hanover and Leghorn have a knack for effortless flow.




Leghorn January 28, 2022 at 00:56 #648463
The “effortless flow” aspect of my piece is due simply to knowing how to speak—and therefore write—simply and effectively. I acquired this ability by studying and reading the ancient Roman and Greek writers: they are preeminently terse and forthright.

A common mistake made by English speakers is to use the pluperfect to begin a narrative: it should only be used when there is a need to show that what it describes occurred before some particular event in the narrative...

For example, someone might say, “I had gone into the store to buy groceries, and he came in and assaulted me.” Here, since this is pure narrative, what we should have expected from the speaker was, “I went into the store..., and he came in and assaulted me,” for the simple past tense is sufficient to show that the entry into the store occurred before the assault.

Now consider this statement: “I went into the store..., but because I had slipped some pepper-spray in my pocket before I left the house, when he came in and assaulted me, I pulled it out and sprayed him directly in the face.” Here the pluperfect (I had slipped) is not NECESSARY, but it is STANDARD: for the phrase “...before I left the house,” shows that the action of slipping the spray in the pocket occurred before entry into the store. Nevertheless, this fact does not supercede the standard and suggest using the simple past: for “...before I left the house,” might have been left out; in which case the pluperfect, “...I HAD slipped pepper-spray...,” would have clarified the time-line.

Here’s another way to write this narrative: “I go into the store to buy groceries, and he comes in and assaults me.” Here all past-tense verbs are replaced by present-tense ones. The effect is to place the reader more intimately at the scene by describing the events as though they are happening now. He knows, of course, that he is reading a narrative of something that happened in the past, but the effect is to place him, in his imagination, at the scene.

How should we write the “pepper-spray” version then, since tenses have changed? “I go into the store..., but because I had slipped some pepper-spray in my pocket..., when he comes in..., I pull it out and spray him...” Why the pluperfect? Why not the simple past: “...because I slipped...”? After all, all the other verbs are present, so why wouldn’t the simple past suffice to show that the placing of the spray occurred beforehand?

The reason seems to me to be because, even though the narrative is grammatically present, it is not so in the mind of the reader: as I pointed out, he knows that what he reads happened before the time in which he is reading it. Therefore, when he reads a simple past, he interprets it according to the time-line of the general narrative. This is proved by the fact that such narrative often mixes present- and past-tense verbs: “I went into the store to buy groceries, and he comes in and assaults me!”

A further observation about the use of the English present-tense in narrative: the events thusly described may have never occurred: they may be only imaginary. For example:

“Why do you feel you have to take pepper spray with you whenever you go out of the house?”

“Well, consider this: I go into the store to buy groceries, and someone comes in and assaults me.”

Here we have the expression of a future possibility in the same language that was used to describe a past event! The only thing that distinguishes them is THE CONTEXT, which word I have emphasized because its concept is so ineffable, yet so influential in language. Nevertheless, context is only half of the equation: the other half is the grammatical STANDARD, the customary forms used in any language to convey thought. It is the combination of context and custom that creates the great variety of expression in language.







praxis January 28, 2022 at 01:40 #648476
Reply to Leghorn

Good tips. Thanks for posting that. :cool:
hypericin August 15, 2022 at 00:59 #729336
WTF was up with people heaping praise on this PILE OF DOGSHIT???

It's very disheartening. If this... thing, is enough to garner such effusiveness, then where does that put mine?