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Does philosophy weaponize language?

Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 05:15 9125 views 34 comments
Argument is a central concept for philosophy. Philosophers rely heavily on arguments to justify claims, and these practices have been motivating reflections on what arguments and argumentation are for millennia. Moreover, argumentative practices are also pervasive elsewhere; they permeate scientific inquiry, legal procedures, education, and political institutions. SEP

Every since the dawn of creation we've used the natural world for weaponry. We've turned metal into spears, wood into staffs, and I would argue: language into combative machines. An argument is often used to justify horrible activities. A look through history and you will find arguments for slavery. link

That's not to say all arguments are bad, you can use arguments to justify wonderful things, like charity and ethics. Even still, you are using arguments to persuade others to do the "right" thing. A business man may not want to donate part of his money for charity, but he is also susceptible to being guilt ridden by a religious charity organization. "If you don't give money to charity, it means you are selfish!" Good or bad, arguments are competitive by its very nature. In my opinion, philosophy is often used as a tool to churn out arguments.

What do you think? Does philosophy weaponize our language to turn them into arguments? Do I have a point?

Comments (34)

Ambrosia September 17, 2021 at 05:32 #596215
Reply to Wheatley
This is an excellent OP!

Yes,of course philosophy weaponises Language.
By appeals to authority, tradition and conceptual precedents/dogmas predominantly.

Every major philosopher had a major political project or religious affiliation. And their "arguments" and reasonings were only to justify and persuade for a priori political beliefs.
Banno September 17, 2021 at 05:45 #596220
There's arguments and there's arguments. Quarrels and lines of reasoning.

Philosophers use both. They supposedly use lines of reasoning to suport this or that case; and of course they do also engage in quarrels.

But many folk cannot make the distinction. The result is their taking an argument as an argument - a line of reasoning as a personal affront.

I suspect thin skin is more common in the "polite" states of 'merica, were excessive civility is needed in order not to get shot. But doubtless others will disagree.

Noble Dust September 17, 2021 at 05:49 #596222
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Banno September 17, 2021 at 06:01 #596228
Quoting Noble Dust
If you disagree with Banno, he'll gaslight you. Good luck.


Why, how kind. Thank you. One does what one can.
Noble Dust September 17, 2021 at 06:02 #596229
Reply to Banno

Yes, gas lighters do what they can by gas-lighting. Surely.
Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 06:04 #596231
Quoting Banno
lines of reasoning

Is there another word for that?
Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 06:05 #596232
Oh wait...

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/line%20of%20reasoning
Banno September 17, 2021 at 06:08 #596234
Reply to Wheatley Defence, justification, exchange, account...

Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 06:08 #596235
Reply to Banno How about "formal argument"?
Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 06:13 #596238
Nevermind. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument
Noble Dust September 17, 2021 at 06:42 #596244
Reply to Banno

Gaslitghing
Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 06:44 #596245
Quoting Noble Dust
Yes, gas lighters do what they can by gas-lighting

The biggest gas-lighter in history is... Link
Noble Dust September 17, 2021 at 06:46 #596247
Reply to Wheatley

I'm only interested in gaslighters like @Banno
Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 06:53 #596250
Reply to Noble Dust Im only interested in torch lighters. I don't like the cheap BIC stuff.
Noble Dust September 17, 2021 at 06:56 #596251
Reply to Wheatley

In this thread I'm only interested in @Banno's gaslighting.
Hermeticus September 17, 2021 at 06:57 #596252
Reply to Noble Dust

Would you chill out? Whether Banno gaslighted you or not, this adds nothing to the thread, it doesn't belong here.

Reply to Wheatley
I don't think weaponizing language is an immediate feature of philosophy, rather than a consequence of how some people tend to debate. When do we use weapons? When we want to overpower someone. We do the same with language if we want to proclaim ourselves or our opinion as superior.

Quoting Banno
There's arguments and there's arguments. Quarrels and lines of reasoning

This.
Noble Dust September 17, 2021 at 06:59 #596254
Quoting Hermeticus
Would you chill out? Whether Banno gaslighted you or not, this adds nothing to the thread, it doesn't belong here.


He did, so it does belong here.
TheMadFool September 17, 2021 at 07:58 #596285
I recall someone telling me quite a while ago that his father used to hit him with anything his pop could lay his hand's on.
Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 08:12 #596291
Quoting TheMadFool
I recall someone telling me quite a while ago that his father used to hit him with anything his pop could lay his hand's on.

I guess the moral of the story is that anything can be used as weapon...
Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 08:13 #596292
I disagree with my OP, philosophical language can be used as a weapon, but it's not a weapon in of itself.
Ambrosia September 17, 2021 at 08:23 #596297
Reply to Wheatley
Yes,not every word is a weapon per se,but its use always has a purpose,either good or bad.
What is language in of itself?
TheMadFool September 17, 2021 at 08:25 #596300
Quoting Wheatley
I guess the moral of the story is that anything can be used as weapon...


Unfortunately (for the victim) or fortunately (for the victim), looks like it.
Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 08:30 #596305
Reply to TheMadFool
Yeah, and I feel bad for all those poor victim grad students who are assigned Hegel's The Phenomenology of Spirit as a reading project. :razz: :gasp:
sime September 17, 2021 at 08:45 #596324
In my opinion, yes, on my understanding that it is linguistic convention which ultimately decides whether a sentence is true or false (for on any physical understanding of verbal behaviour, every assertion can be understood to be a true representation of it's physical causes, and therefore true).

Every person has their own linguistic convention and associated agenda, and conventions come into either conflict or cooperation for political reasons. Discussions and debates which on the surface look like passive disputes over the objective nature of shared truth, are ultimately analysable in terms of the resolution of socio-political objectives. But i don't see this as a nihilistic conclusion and more like an alternative view of philosophy.
Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 08:53 #596333
Tom Storm September 17, 2021 at 08:54 #596334
Quoting Wheatley
Good or bad, arguments are competitive by its very nature. In my opinion, philosophy is often used as a tool to churn out arguments.

What do you think? Does philosophy weaponize our language to turn them into arguments? Do I have a point?


The fact that this might not be the case never occurred to me.
Banno September 17, 2021 at 08:57 #596336
Quoting Tom Storm
The fact that this might not be the case never occurred to me.


Yep.
Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 09:15 #596346
Reply to Banno Nothing ever gets through you. :sweat:
TheMadFool September 17, 2021 at 10:32 #596359
Quoting Wheatley
Yeah, and I feel bad for all those poor victim grad students who are assigned Hegel's The Phenomenology of Spirit as a reading project.


I know. Torture can take many forms. Intriguing no, how people don't seem to realize that they're inflicting pain on others? :point: Milgram Experiment (Stanley Milgram)

Also, :point: Dual Use Tech

[quote=Wikipedia]In politics, diplomacy and export control, "dual-use" refers to technology that can be used for both peaceful and military aims.[/quote]

Somewhere in all that is the truth - anything is a weapon.
Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 10:36 #596360
Quoting TheMadFool
Intriguing no, how people don't seem to realize that they're inflicting pain on others? :point: Milgram Experiment (Stanley Milgram)

You learn that in social psychology. :nerd:
Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 10:37 #596361
:point: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-nazi-s-defense-of-just-following-orders-plays-out-in-the-mind/
Ambrosia September 17, 2021 at 10:51 #596365
And by the same logic we could relate order following to the corona situation.
But oh,in that situation you ignore the logic.

Selective use of bogus studies to justify whatever political agenda one has. Its called propoganda,and science and medicine are a wing of it.
And Language is the king of propoganda.
TheMadFool September 17, 2021 at 11:06 #596375
Quoting Wheatley
You learn that in social psychology. :nerd:


:ok:

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Orator

[quote=Wikipedia]Orator: Recorded in English c. 1374, with a meaning of "one who pleads or argues for a cause", from Anglo-French oratour, Old French orateur (14th century), Latin orator ("speaker"), from orare ("speak before a court or assembly; plead"), derived from a Proto-Indo-European base *or- ("to pronounce a ritual formula").[/quote]

The list features the likes of the good - Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King (emancipation) - and also, the bad - Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini (fascism).



Wheatley September 17, 2021 at 11:11 #596380
Wikipedia:Orator: Recorded in English c. 1374, with a meaning of "one who pleads or argues for a cause",

Which comes from Aristotle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_causes