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The new Racism.

Zenny May 26, 2021 at 07:23 6575 views 42 comments
It seems to me that using the word "white" in a derogatory fashion can be used publicly with little public repercussions. One can call someone a white jeezus follower,one can say white privilege carte blanche,and one can say black people can't be racist if they don't have structural power,etc,etc
One can divide people into rigid categories and tar everybody with the same race brush.
As long as one is a minority and not in political power one can abuse the race of the majority,even if the member of said majority is a unemployed person with no political power,or doesn't follow politics.
Defying any common sense or decency. Denying the obviously outrageous double standards and hypocrisy.
@Baden and @180 Proof being two culprits. Plus many others on this new ideological racism bandwagon.
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Being racist in the name of anti racism!
What is the reason behind this acceptance of blatant racism?
And for the record I'm brown.

Comments (42)

Baden May 26, 2021 at 07:35 #542105
Reply to Zenny

If you took every white American and made them black and every black American and made them white, I'd be concerned about racism against the whites rather than the blacks.. Arbitrary biological factors such as skin color are irrelevant except insofar as they signal power differentials and asymmetries. It's thinking otherwise that's racist.
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 07:38 #542106
@Baden And how does this justify people using white as a pejorative?
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 07:39 #542107
@Baden Oh,and I love the "thinking otherwise is racist."
Sure sign of a dogmarist.
Answering charges of racism by saying the person opposing you is a racist!
Baden May 26, 2021 at 07:41 #542108
Reply to Zenny

It doesn't but that didn't happen in 180's case as far as I can see. I mean, it's possible to be racist against whites, but it's kind of like men complaining about sexism against them, the complaints are often trivial or unfounded. Now, if someone called a white person a "cracker" here or something, that would immediately be modded as racist.
Baden May 26, 2021 at 07:44 #542109
Reply to Zenny

It's the definition of racism to focus on arbitrary biological characteristics as, in themselves, important, no?
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 07:45 #542110
@180 Proof has said many things. Let's wait till he clarifies. And I've seen others use white as a pejorative.
But,back to the point. The whole public discourse and how "white" is used is racist. But your changing the topic as normal.
Baden May 26, 2021 at 07:48 #542111
Quoting Zenny
180 Proof has said many things. Let's wait till he clarifies. And I've seen others use white as a pejorative.


You need to back these accusations up with evidence, i.e. quotes. Otherwise, retract.

Quoting Zenny
But,back to the point. The whole public discourse and how "white" is used is racist. But your changing the topic as normal.


I don't think it generally is. "White privilege", for example, decries the privilege not the race.
Cuthbert May 26, 2021 at 07:59 #542114
Perhaps a time will come when people will be judged by the content of their character and not by the colour of their skin and when people will attribute wise words without pretending they made them up.
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 08:08 #542117
@Baden Nope. The ways it's applied is a lot of times carte blanche. Just look at your attitude on the thread "the whys and origin of religion".
I asked you repeatedly is it OK for white minorities in a black majority to use black as a pejorative. And your silence was an answer.
Why can't you come out and condemn racism by any party.
And shall we call Africans with black leaders as having black privilege in mixed populations?
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 08:23 #542124
@Cuthbert I was judged people by their character and racism where I live is so much less than it was when I was at school. And at ground level things are great.
But the media and these new ideologues still want people to seperate by identity politics and have created the term "white privilege" and allow racists of all stripes to vent their racism in the name of antiracism. Just hypocrisy and power politics.
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 08:28 #542125
@Cuthbert Should read " I always judge people by their character."
Baden May 26, 2021 at 08:41 #542129
Reply to Zenny

I condemn racism, period. Now, racist quotes, please?
Baden May 26, 2021 at 08:42 #542130
Quoting Zenny
I asked you repeatedly is it OK for white minorities in a black majority to use black as a pejorative. And your silence was an answer.


I told you it was off-topic in the last thread, which it was, and I answered you here.

Quoting Baden
If you took every white American and made them black and every black American and made them white, I'd be concerned about racism against the whites rather than the blacks.
Cuthbert May 26, 2021 at 08:43 #542131
"I always judge people by their character". Zenny, me too. Then sometimes I'm caught out not doing that and having prejudices just like everyone else.Tribal passions, generalising from single cases and from irrelevant factors, these are everywhere. People can be suspicious of foreigners and we are all foreigners to some people. We won't wake up one morning and find King's dream has come true. We will have to fight to make it as true as it can get within the limitations of human weakness.
180 Proof May 26, 2021 at 08:49 #542132
Reply to Zenny I wish pinheads like you, Zippy, would learn to differentiate between prejudice and racism: "I dislike them" and in-group (& members of any out-group) uses state, media and/or economic force to discriminate against, or oppress, out-group/s, respectively.

https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/350173
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 08:50 #542134
@Cuthbert At least your honest and working towards improving. An I do distinguish between sometimes an anxiety around new people,not because of color,but because of the situation,behaviour,culture etc. Its not that we have no need of being wary of some people,we do,that's a protective part of human nature,its when when one judges purely by color.
Banno May 26, 2021 at 08:54 #542135
Quoting Zenny
Baden and 180 Proof being two culprits. Plus many others on this new ideological racism bandwagon.


I missed all the fun. Would you mind linking to the posts where all this dreadful stuff occurred?
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 08:55 #542137
@Baden Cheap words. Cheap generalisation. I asked you to clarify on this thread can a white minority call a black majority black privilege? Dont run now.
And as for the quote,180 on the thread in question is enough. I don't need to run around for you. That one post is enough. 180s mealy mouthed response is just sophistry because he can't own his racism. So he will dress it up as prejudice or some or other intellectual
hair splitting.
Benkei May 26, 2021 at 08:57 #542139
Reply to Zenny You asked for something after accusing people of something which forms the basis of you asking that question. Let's start with you proving the accusation first. If you can't, your question is baseless.
Banno May 26, 2021 at 08:58 #542141
@Zenny

Oh, I see others have asked the same question.

Cool. looking forward to your providing the links.

Zenny May 26, 2021 at 09:00 #542143
@Banno The thread the "whys and origins of religion".
For you as well @Benkei. Though I expect you will wriggle out of the obviousness of the racism.
Benkei May 26, 2021 at 09:01 #542144
The extent of black privilege revolves around being able to use the N-word without repercussion and claiming experiential knowledge about being on the receiving end of racism. Wooptiedoo.

*Racist canards mode on*

And of course, especially black people, are more athletic, have bigger dicks and a better sense for rhythm. Asian people are better at math and are just really model citizens. Look at them working hard and integrating and stuff!

*Racist canards mode off*
Banno May 26, 2021 at 09:02 #542145
Reply to Zenny Yeah, I had a look there, but wasn't sure of what you were referring to. You can get the link by rolling over the time stamp at the bottom of a post and then clicking on the arrow that appears.

No need to be presumptuous. Link to the posts. Carry your case.
Benkei May 26, 2021 at 09:02 #542146
Reply to Zenny The one who's wriggling is you. If it's so obvious, surely you can provide a single quote instead of handwaving at a thread?
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 09:03 #542147
@180 Proof Yep,you keep playing that card.
Just like Christians used to justify racism with the Bible,you justify it with the philosophy of white privilege and "black people can't be racist" unless in power.
Benkei May 26, 2021 at 09:05 #542149
Reply to Zenny Because he argues there's a difference between racism and prejudice. How do racism and prejudice differentiate according to 180 proof? Explain it to me so we can be certain you understand his argument and then you explain why you disagree with the differentiation.
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 09:14 #542152
Benkei May 26, 2021 at 09:24 #542156
Reply to Zenny I don't see it. What's the problem with that post?
Banno May 26, 2021 at 09:28 #542158
Reply to Zenny Well, yeah, it's pretty passionate. Verifiable claims, though - lots of them.

Quoting Zenny
It seems to me that using the word "white" in a derogatory fashion can be used publicly with little public repercussions. One can call someone a white jeezus follower,one can say white privilege carte blanche,and one can say black people can't be racist if they don't have structural power,etc,etc


I don't see any of this in the cited post.

There's only one occurrence of the word "white". and it's not derogatory towards white people, but towards those who pretend Jesus was white. No mention of privilege, white or otherwise, and the only mention of "Black People" on that whole page were in your own posts.

Zenny May 26, 2021 at 09:29 #542159
@Benkei If that post said gang banging,hip hop listening, gospel choir singing Black jesus worshipping folks,you would have deleted it as racist.
This one you become blind. Your double standards mate.
You don't want to see it,because you would have cognitive dissonance.
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 09:32 #542160
@Banno Nonsense. Read my post above to benkei.
You think 180 was referncing black people in his post.
And if I can verify suspect behaviour amongst black culture,doesn't mean I can publicly rant on it.
Double standards mate.
Banno May 26, 2021 at 09:35 #542162
Reply to Zenny Well, no, what I said was accurate - you can see it in the stuff you linked to.

Your "argument" is that if someone had said something else, that would have been racists. That's not an argument.

I'm not your mate.

Zenny May 26, 2021 at 09:37 #542163
@Banno Nope. What you said is apologetics. It's clear.
And damn right I'm not your mate. Was a language game palooka
I like sushi May 26, 2021 at 09:42 #542164
Reply to Baden No.

Racism is holding the belief that you’re morally or mentally superior based on ethnicity (often attributed - falsely - to physical appearances esp. skin-tone and bone structure).
Benkei May 26, 2021 at 09:42 #542165
Reply to Zenny Again, do you understand the difference between racism and prejudice as argued by 180 Proof? Explain it to me and then explain to me why that differentiation is wrong according to you.
Banno May 26, 2021 at 09:45 #542166
Reply to Zenny The link you cited does not support your allegations.

Provide some evidence or retract.

Zenny May 26, 2021 at 09:45 #542167
@Benkei Don't try to patronise me.
Is it ok for a white minority to use the word black as a pejorative? And then say its a prejudice?
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 09:47 #542168
@Banno Who you think you are the grand inquisitor?
Get a grip you authoritarian palooka.
Banno May 26, 2021 at 09:48 #542169
Quoting Zenny
Don't try to patronise me.


It's what one does to children.

Quoting Zenny
Get a grip you authoritarian palooka.


You have the opportunity to provide evidence in support of your accusing a member of racism. You ought do so.

That's not an appeal to authority. Its an appeal to you to back up your accusation.
Zenny May 26, 2021 at 09:51 #542171
@Banno I have done.
You are a bore. And a virtue signaller. A pedantic ideologue.
Streetlight May 26, 2021 at 09:53 #542172
OK, show's over.
Benkei May 26, 2021 at 10:09 #542181
Reply to Zenny I don't intend to patronise you. I believe that if you want to argue a case you need argumentation. So far, all you've done is point at something and said "that's racist". What you believe is obvious, quite clearly isn't, since at least two posters don't interpret it the same. So you need to explain it better.

I'm offering you a way to clarify some things where I suspect the difference in interpretation comes from, instead you complain about having to explain your position. If you can't argue your case then we can dismiss your position as irrational or irrelevant because it's not supported.