Tom Storm

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Indeed. I'm not arguing this. I'm just saying they are not propositional and are not as clearly beholden to local axioms as a more fully developed lin...

This is an intriguing position and I am sympathetic to embodied cognition. I'm not sure what it means to 'exceed' culture. Does he mean that bodily ex...

I'm quite partial to incoherence, but it depends on the context. I think between language and silence there are also grunts, growls and purring....

I would have thought language depends or is grounded upon the logical axioms: identity, non-contradiction and excluded middle. Without which... incohe...

That clarifies things. I don't think this example counts as philosophy - unless you are using the word metaphorically. It's an allegory using irony to...

I was thinking similarly. :wink:

I'm curious - you don't think reality is one of these - or do you have a presupposition about the nature of reality which informs the others?

Is this a serious OP? Would it not be obvious that no one can be familiar with all philosophies, let alone agree with them all? What does it mean to s...

I'd expect that. My original quesion was intended to understand how that rather lose category of ideas called postmodernism might understand maths. Ma...

Interesting. Although I suspect that like religion this may in practice operate at two levels - there are the literalists who believe the conspiracies...

That's interesting. How did they consider poetry was able to do this - by aesthetic distraction and emotionality? Poetry as truth's false gold?

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That's very elegantly put. Thanks.

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In crude terms, the various strands of thinking often loosely described as postmodern seem to be a form of skepticism and a disavowal of metanarrative...

I hear you. I find the range of ideas which flow around the categories of post structuralism and post modernism very interesting. The antipathy they f...

Yes, I am aware of this - it's generally one of the first things people say when you use the term postmodernism. I chose to keep it broad to see what ...

Thanks. I thought Plato saw poetry as immoral, distracting folk from truth. Doesn't he also agree that poetry has a role some later works? How are we ...

Nice - can you expand a little?

I don't find any of this surprising and I don't think professed worldviews tell us much. I've met many atheists who believe in clairvoyance, astrology...

Yes, I'm interested in this too.

I did read have a cursory read of Izmirli's piece which you provided. Aside from the historical survey I wasn't quite sure what the piece was saying. ...

It's unclear to me what you are attempting to say other that there are different ways of knowing and that you believe in god because of personal exper...

Yes, I was familiar with the Sokal affair. More that this, people seem to resent pomo without taking much trouble to understand it. The subject seems ...

I was just talking about this to someone at home. Language does us a great disservice when we use terms like 'laws' of logic or 'laws' of nature in as...

I’ve come to a similar view. This is beautifully explained.

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There's no good evidence of this but I think it is safe to say the myth came to us via one or two messianic preachers of the time. There were many doi...

Interesting. I once posited here somewhere (perhaps unwisely Kantian) that maybe maths may be part of our cognitive apparatus - like space, perhaps a ...

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I wish they were more cunt and less post. PS - That was a dumb thing of me to write. I was in a tram packed with very loud Swifties. Big concert tonig...

Ha, Nietzsche can be such a cunt.

Thanks and Christ! It’s a can of worms…

I'm interested in what I might get from member's responses. As I said at the top, time is limited and I have no education in any of this, so I am just...

A conversation between both would be interesting (and perhaps incomprehensible). Nice. Ok. I'd like to hear what @"joshs" might say in response to thi...

Could be. But no one is claiming PM is entirely original in this. I'm sure, but no one is saying it is. If this is what they do. But I don't think it ...

Does your language here suggest that you take post modernism to be a posturing deceit? I'm not aware of a maths specific critique. Just taking as the ...

That's the issue right there isn't it. If there are variations in how maths is done, this does not appear to undermine its capacity to produce consist...

Do you mean this below? As you say an odd example. I think this is just a strange way of defining the idea of flawless. You may as well say that perfe...

:up: This is the matter I'd like to hear more about from someone with more specialized understanding of the subject. It's in the realm of social const...

Ditto. Thank you for an interesting conversation. I've appreciated your approach. :up:

I am not sure my point leads here but I am sympathetic to this regardless. I am a reluctant anti-foundationalist and consider human knowledge to be co...

That I would like to see. Apparently their horns contain magic... But you are quite right to say that a perfect circle and a unicorn have little in co...

But I didn't say that a perfect circle is no more real than a unicorn. I said we can't rely upon the mechanism you identified since it can also imagin...

Nice. :up: A way of thinking we really need to overcome. Any thoughts on that?

Nice. I hear you but i don't think this is all that useful a formulation. We can find any number of minds to agree and visualise a unicorn but it stil...

Exactly. Can we demonstrate perfection in any thing? A perfect circle is still an abstraction even if there is no such thing as one in real life. Abst...

Fair enough. You are entitled to that reaction. But have I said that objectively perfect things do not occur? I actually don't think this, so if you c...