Agree. I've often said that idealism really doesn't change anything. There is nothing I do now that would change. That said, for others there seem to ...
Thanks for this discussion, by the way. I've found it useful. These are my beliefs as they currently stand. I'm open to tweaking. There is no agreemen...
Depends on the society. Obviously in 1830's America, to the masters. But the conversation changed. There's a general thrust in the West for egalitaria...
Thanks. Not sure there's much I can do with those dot points, I'm afraid. But if you ask me what do I do when I try to escape restraint. I have been l...
Not sure, also not sure how this helps. Please demonstrate with an example - perhaps in dot points - how you see this working. For instance: So let's ...
That seems a rather limited way of interpreting my point. I did not say anything goes. I said humans come to agreements about what morality is and fol...
Yes. I can see this. And I like this more sophisticated framing of the idea. Cool. Noted. Fuck, there's a lot to remember is this caper... Have a rest...
I think this refers to the old debate about mathematical platonism - were numbers invented or discovered? It's one of those endless debates which ulti...
It may not mean much, but I have found your ongoing conversation on this matter very interesting. It's been quite a display of endurance. Ultimately, ...
I doubt this. I grew up in a time where what you are suggesting was standard and obligatory practice. We were all made to learn lessons of responsibil...
Indeed. Cocaine was named as a base pleasure. I said this: Apparently this means I want to legalize cocaine. :wink: I have made no comments about lega...
We never know what personal challenges a member here might be facing, so I generally don't return aggressive responses. I find it curious that your in...
I wonder however you arrived at this? Name calling too. That's called strange. doesn't seem to be having any trouble following. I'll mull this over. I...
Yes, I find this one interesting. I am curious that people talk about good pleasures versus bad pleasures. I don't think there really is a distinction...
It teaches us about pain. But this is a very narrow band of experience and doesn't go anywhere near notions of who we are. For instance - could the se...
No. I don't think you are following. I don't accept there are objective goods (your term). Society engages in an ongoing conversation about a 'code of...
I'm not sure how accurate this is. It sounds like dualistic thinking and so, I imagine, Eastern traditions might challenge this model. When I think of...
I didn't address the prohibition of cocaine, I addressed the pleasure it provides and the notion of pleasure itself. In the US there used to be prohib...
There’s nothing inherently wrong with the pleasure cocaine can provide. Many people I've known use it a few times a year with great satisfaction and w...
Whenever I hear this argument, I find it underwhelming. Parsing happiness into "the right kind" and "the wrong kind" seems both futile and subjective....
I can't see this as being hard, it refers to a work by the thinker themselves, not by someone interpreting it. Thus; Plato's Republic; Rorty's Conting...
This frame probably has special appeal to those who are idealists or religiously inclined. Well, some might go as far as to call that a clue. But for ...
Indeed that’s the current model. Will we ever finish arriving at tentative theories? Theories that to some extent peg out a version of reality and all...
Yep, I get it. I'm not sure we have coherent explanation of the material or the immaterial, whatever that could be. I believe both are held up by a sc...
Yes. And if you have to ask, it's likely no one will be able to assist you in understanding. You either get it or you don't. I consider kindness to be...
We already have an International Day of Peace - Sept 21 and look where that has gotten us. :wink: My personal view is that celebratory days are probab...
Fair enough. How would this work in practice, in the context of a man who perpetuates domestic abuse? How might such an approach bear useful results? ...
I find this particularly interesting. Does it follow from this frame that no one is ever knowingly dishonest or has evil intent and that the matter ca...
Maybe, but it is far from demonstrable that you're correct on this. How would we know? (That's rhetorical, not needing a lengthy explanation of metaph...
Yes, I am familiar with the belief and I was involved in these sorts of pursuits many years ago. That's an interesting way of putting it. I guess some...
Yes. It strikes me that much of the argument provided by can also be used to support a robust skepticism of the transcendent. Since we can't access re...
It would be interesting to hear Harris respond to your concerns. I haven't followed his project closely enough to consider what his deficits might be....
Can you explain the contradiction? Isn't the subjective and the objective simply a description of the same reality seen from a different perspective? ...
This is why I tend to think of helping others being a potential example of good. Good often comes at a price. Good may have a personal cost. Good may ...
Maybe. We're still left with the vexed act of interpreting what constitutes 'flourishing' and who gets to be a citizen in that model. For instance, do...
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