Tom Storm

Hmmm... and there I was thinking we were discussing how we might arrive at criteria for good or bad. If it's just personal opinion then I have no real...

I think this can work. Possibly it's heading towards a phenomenological approach.

I agree. Many technically astonishing artists have no depth or emotion in their work. It's all technique. But this starts to get alarmingly speculativ...

I'm asking you. You're the one making claims about merit that seem to hint at some kind objectivity. :wink:

Do tell.

Well if you use words like 'upgrade' no wonder. You seem to have a hierarchical frame for this discussion. The point is there is an invitation to cons...

I wasn't saying the art expert was right, merely that there may be distinction between excellent draftsmanship and artistic merit. Quite often people ...

Yes, I keep saying this. :up:

Then who cares what you or I think? And we can stop making judgements about what is art, except to ourselves. I agree with @T Clark - an invitation to...

Tantalizing. So this last line would seem to rule out idealism or is my idea of idealism handicapped by the Greeks?

Yes, but throughout this thread we have been discussing more than personal taste - potential objective criteria (you suggested effort and quality) by ...

The question is how do we decide this is the case or if he is correct about pop's artistic merits? On what basis are you saying it is not art - person...

I disagree. And firstly you'll have a devil of a job explaining what 'quality' and 'effort' mean and how you can tell when they are embodied in a work...

I refined my answer later but the first remains true.

Lack of time and interest.

Since I don't really accept the idea of an enlightened person in the first place, I have nothing to explain. People are flawed and support ideas and d...

None taken.

Is it? Do you not see my point? So far what you seem to have done is provide an example from personal taste using an appeal to self-evidence.

I guess we don't have anything further to say then. You're making claims with no justification.

I could have put Taylor Swift or the Rolling Stones up there too, What's the difference? That's the key issue at stake here? Or are you suggesting the...

You seemed to be saying more than this. My mistake. Well, yes as I have said, people conflate bad art with non-art. But bad art must be also be a thin...

A poetic rhapsody on your handle.

No, you did not ask me that. You asked is bad music bad? A very different question. You made an assertion that there is bad music. How did you make th...

Yep - those are the questions. Anything is assessed as good or bad in relation to some kind of criteria. Is there bad music? If so, how is this establ...

The hard part; the part that causes real dispute is the answer to the question, is it any good? Someone on the forum once said that aesthetics is mean...

I just looked him up. Fuck me dead with a lunchbox! I now have the aesthete's version of PTSD. This is a new category of extreme kitsch I was not awar...

In general I don't think it is useful to ask if something qualifies as art. If it is presented as an object of aesthetic experience it is art. It's in...

I don't have any issues with this work of art. I'd rather see this than some mawkish effort by Norman Rockwell. Exactly right.

When it is done to prevent something worse from taking place. Who are you, Gandhi? :wink:

There are a few lengthy threads all about qualia and the hard problem already. Most of the issues have been answered (but not resolved) in these. Some...

I'm in favour of people having the right to suicide (assisted or not) in a range of situations. People who are in the early to mid phase of a degenera...

Can you expand on that a little not sure what you mean?

We've been declaring people and places sacred for most of human history I don't think we are about to stop this practice. Sacred digital space? If it ...

It's not generally what I've seen in the field but in theory you may be correct.

It makes a big difference. We have some capacity (sometimes great) to change/ameliorate psychological suffering just by how we think - hence philosoph...

You're right, I re-thought it.

Of course. State/religious power has been expressed in buildings for much of known history, even before there were architecture and construction indus...

Seems to be a matter of taste and timing. This minimalist, anti-ornate, geometric style has been a widely celebrated retro fetish for some years now. ...

Interesting. Could be.

I think he means the nature of suffering, not just our own. That of our brothers and sisters. And the most extreme, enduring form of suffering for my ...

There's a thread in this juicy morsel.

Thanks for this. I guess what I see is an approach to being that privileges itself above all other approaches and possibly with good reason. I find th...

Nice. Well don't just sit there, M, make something of this claim so we can see it work. :smile:

I am not convinced that 'conforming' to intelligent/rational ways of life necessarily equate with wisdom. There could be a whole universe of flaws in ...

I have no idea Joshs.

:gasp: We need a poo emoji.

I'm not shitting you, as books little screens shit me off, no shit, sorry if this shits you.

Nice. Yes, I think what we have learned by now that the difficulties inherent in trying to establish an objective reality/truth isn't the same thing a...

Well, you did always maintain you were an idealist... :joke:

I think this may be inevitable. People despise the system (for good and bad reasons) and Trump the Wrecker is a case of 'the enemy of my enemy is my f...