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Do the common complaints about vaccine testing, where it concerns "killed" viruses or replicated viral proteine, apply to mRNA vaccines though? Are, b...

Which is my point. There's no agency involved, it naturally emerges from a winner takes all system where plurality is enough and bribery is legal.

I don't think it's a loophole though but a serious logical error to pull in consent in this discussion. It's gaming the issue by demanding that there ...

Why do you think the non-identity problem applies here? That concerns adjusting behaviour to avoid a problem for a future person which adjustment caus...

Thank you for sharing your emotions and opinion about it. I understand the empathy underlying such statements. I think the conclusion is wrong though....

Yup. That's my personal moral intuition. I've also stated that other people may decide differently. A survival expert could decide to have kids in abj...

I really don't think there's anybody out there planning this stuff. Representation of the monied interests is in place, regardless of who sits in what...

And you are obligated to help because that duty is recognised in several places. An example for continental Europe (most countries have an equivalent)...

Because I think it's confused. Just because we can make a grammatically correct sentence doesn't mean we have a meaningful sentence. What am I exercis...

More metaphysical mumbo jumbo. The ability to exercise force on something presupposes its existence. Existence isn't a property. Sounds like a God com...

Funny, you should say that. We do live in such a society and even have laws enforcing it even though I disagree law had much to do with morality. Look...

You inject in my thread so whatever. I call out nonsense when I see it. What did "its" refer to again? You never answered but since everybody can read...

Except he made the mistake several times and even if it was a hypothetical analogy it's shitty one because of it.

But I have. I don't account for intrinsic suffering because those aren't caused by living. For proximate causes, if it's a near certainty the proximat...

I think you attribute too much agency to what essentially emerges from a political system that is ruled by money.

To expound a bit, generally it's a good rule of thumb not to kill people but sometimes it is. Generally, it's a good rule to be nice to people but som...

What if society agrees it's everybody's responsibility to intervene, so it's everybody's "job" to save drowning people?

And you're not going to get it because I don't believe in general rules derived from circumstantial decisions. It's why different murderers get differ...

But you just said you're not responsible if a thing would happen if you weren't there. Why is the doctor responsible for something that would occur ev...

Also, another point, I wouldn't have kids under these circumstances, it's not a universal rule. Maybe someone with a different outlook on life, differ...

Nope. As you indicate yourself this is all surrounded by unknowns. All I do know is that these types of suffering aren't caused by living because bein...

And yet it continually happens in this thread and I've already pointed it out several times. The last time was here: https://thephilosophyforum.com/di...

No, the difference is that I can pretend "as if" a child would exist and attribute qualities and states to it and compare that what I know about lives...

by memory, build back better? Or something like that?

I stopped reading because it's apparent you don't read what I write. Once again, read the OP. I specifically raise the issue of future persons. The pr...

I wish.

Denying it doesn't make it so. What does "its" refer to here?

This is attributing personhood. A thing that doesn't exist, isn't a "child" and does not have the capacity of being "born" and it certainly doesn't ha...

But I do and have accounted for that. It's literally in the OP. I have no problems with this either. I'm fact I've said that everybody suffers at some...

It doesn't logically follow from anything said and alluding to it like this as if it does makes a piss poor argument.

It's in the OP. Since you weren't able to distill the premisse you thought we meant, why don't you ask questions about the part you don't seem to unde...

Yes, because you're misunderstanding the objection made by both him and me.

Read the OP again. Then tell me where you find that premisse.

What premisse and what implication?

It's not avoided at all. I specifically mention unavoidable poverty.

Have you even read the OP? Because this was dealt with in there. It's not a problem.

This is a straw man by the way. Nobody argues this.

My argument doesn't deny either of those things.

You're missing the point. There is no "they". You're asking whether nothing is important and pretending that something exists that doesn't exist.

That's not how people use the word individual. Being individual means discrete, e.g. seperated, distinct and differentiated. Unity can be more things ...

No, because as is clear these aren't caused by life. Edit : Or to put it more clearly, life is not a sufficient condition for any of these situations....

Does living cause you to eat? Or is it your decision to move that fork into your mouth? How about falling asleep last night? Life, habit or because yo...

So people without a TV don't have an identity? What does this even mean man? Even as part of your party I cannot make heads or tails from this stateme...

As to suffering entailed by life, see the OP. I'm not going to repeat myself. As to sickness, that's mostly caused by bacteria or viruses. Not life.

It's a misunderstanding to think law is about morality. It's not. It's about economics first. Just claims have statutory limitations and lapse into mo...

@"schopenhauer1" It doesn't change the assessment that living is not a sufficient condition for such suffering. But maybe your should get specific. Na...

I didn't reply and won't because we'll move in circles. The OP says quite clearly there's two types of suffering. Intrinsic and contingent. Intrinsic ...

I'm not one for universal rules or objective morality but it seems to me that intervening in a life threatening situation such as drowning, where we a...

The universe guarantees life. The big bang did it! That would be the bs.

People who are born are guaranteed to suffer but being born doesn't cause suffering. There's an important moral difference here and the analogy breaks...