Nothing in virtue ethics suggests that we need to claim that being tortured "benefits us." This is a creation of your own invention you keep returning...
Socrates, the hero of the Platonic corpus, is executed by a mob though. Isn't the question rather whether or not people can be more or less unified, m...
As Ricoeur puts it, Aristotle is primarily a "philosopher of quiddity." Aristotle does not have the clear distinction between a thing's essence (what ...
Is your contention that it isn't beneficial for us to be virtuous? So being prudent, courageous (as opposed to brash or cowardly), scientifically mind...
Is that the proper order? Seems to me we know concrete events better than general principles. They are what are "best known to us." Most people have n...
Is this not a "no true Scotsman" or "'real communism/capitalism' has never been tried," situation? No doubt someone could argue something similar abou...
One of my favorite topics. We have had similar discussions before (see: https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/905552). is right that Arist...
Well, the rebels in the south have plowed right into Damascus and are like a 40 minute jog from the center and neighborhoods are mobilizing their own ...
/uploads/resized/files/7o/6s4g90qxow4b6yk9.jpg /uploads/resized/files/x6/3z1m05i3xpo1zjlu.jpg Comparison of what the situation was roughly like for th...
It was unclear to me if they might somehow hold on to Homs or not, but given Iran is also openly evacuating its officers and that Assad's family has r...
I'd say it's question begging sophistry (in precisely the way Plato frames sophistry). To make the distinction is to have already presupposed that the...
Two things: First, it seems like you keep ignoring the option of analagous predication here, but have you given an argument for why it is implausible?...
Well, for this you need metaphysics to explain why the Good is a principle and why we should think it is a unified principle. Do Stoicism, Platonism, ...
Harris gets some crucial things right. However, he knows he has serious problems. In particular he: -Wants to define science broadly such that it is c...
I would tend to disagree with both. It is not always good for us to have what we "perceive as good." We can be wrong about what is truly good or truly...
The terms here aren't completely equivocal either though. They have an analogous relation. But the good by which someone is a "good leader" or a "good...
It can, but it need not. However, if the Good was properly "transcedent," then—by definition—it cannot be absent from that which it transcends (e.g. t...
Here is a decent start: So, one might assume that whatever the Good is, it is sought for its own sake and that it must be a principle realized unequal...
Maybe for many of the Stoics, and arguably for Aristotle, but I think what ataraxia normally describes is just the lower stages of the "beatific visio...
Well, on the classical view, studying philosophy is "good for you" because it makes you a good person who loves justice and acts justly. In the Republ...
I guess the other thing is that "doing the right thing" in contemporary ethics tends to be sensuously sterile, and this can make it seem bizarre how i...
It's possible my explanation is bad. I don't think these are two different uses at all, and I don't think Plato, Aristotle, Plotinus, St. Augustine, B...
I forgot if I shared this quote in this thread: Or "metaphysics is naturally the queen of the sciences." Reminds me of a saying of my grandfather's. W...
Potentially, yes. Trump thinks about things very transactionally. He wants to "win" any deal. But Putin is sort of stuck with maximalist aims, which i...
You recall incorrectly. I attempted to explain how pluralists and monists actually justify their arguments because the versions of the debate being pr...
I guess I don't understand why you think this is a problem. Health is also predicated analogously. What is healthy for a person or a society is not wh...
Well, we could start with Plato and my post above: Now, it seems we agree that it's better for people to live in a society that provisions for the com...
Well, the difficulty here is that "virtuous" has come to mean something very different in modern ethics. The term can mean simply, "being more in line...
Are the examples impossible or do you just not want to call this "pleasure?" Something like the Gammas in "A Brave New World," doesn't seem impossible...
Yes, as Socrates says in the Republic, we would prefer to always have what is truly best, not what merely seems best at the moment, or what others say...
This depends on how you want to define "happiness" I suppose. In Boethius' sense, this is eudaimonia, "flourishing." No one in this tradition argues t...
pros hen predication is open to us. The history leading up to Kant is probably relevant here in that it is the denial of analogy, the drive towards th...
Well no, I explained the symmetry that I think exists. You have invented your own positions to argue with that no one has presented. An eyebrow raiser...
Yet the two aren't unrelated, even if they aren't identical. Just as beliefs and statements are the sort of things that can be true or false, and thes...
With Russia short on men and material and Hezbollah reeling from having its entire leadership killed, taking heavy losses from air strikes, and seemin...
Perhaps there is a happy via media between the "self as a hermetically sealed solipsism," and rejecting that it is primarily people (or more broadly o...
If something is good, it's choice worthy. It doesn't make sense to choose the worse over the better. People do choose the worse over the better, but t...
Depends on what you mean by "separate." Medicine is a normative practice. However, consider a child with cancer. It's bad for them to have cancer. It'...
Well that's just the tip of the iceberg, convertability doesn't entail a perfect symmetry. Just consider the types of things we call "true" or "false....
But that's the very point I was putting in question, I'd argue that the good is to practical reason as truth is to theoretical reason (and as beauty i...
Ok. Do you think this is a good position? Is it "as defendable as any other?" Let me point out a similar problem. While not as popular as "nothing is ...
You can think of self-determination in terms of human organizations as well. The society that follows through on the Durden plan to "return to monke,"...
To be honest, this objection seems to beg the question to me. It only makes sense if "flourishing" and "freedom" are relativized such that being the "...
Sure, but this seems in the same vein as: "if the individual is the sole arbiter of truth, then who's to say that anything is or isn't true?" Yet sure...
:up: Yes, or they point to brain regions, neurons, hormones, etc., as if these are not part of us and as if these would not have to be involved if we ...
I do think this is a problem modern ethics creates for itself. It tends to be more rules based (an after effect of the Reformation and theologies that...
Biology can inform ethics without ethics being reducible to biology. In some sense, intentional action seems to always seek after some good. For examp...
Right, and the justification will also depend on the experience(s). So, for instance, with a single experience set off by a drug or hypoxia, it is per...
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