Darkneos

That's not what it means. The point is that we are both seeing the fork and can confer it objectively exists. That's what it means to be objective, no...

Actually it does require we all see the same thing hence why Wigner's Friend threatens objectivity.

Who?

I'm just going by what the links say. At some point it seems like QM drifts into philosophy with how weird stuff gets after a certain level, as shown ...

Actually they are when it comes to quantum physics.

Not anymore, not with the Wigner's friend experiment evidently. Now science and philosophy are becoming one and the same or at least blending.

Did you read what he said about the experiment and how it invites questions about our reality.

I'm aware of his argument. I join the forum that was linked from his website, but when I started arguing how their line of reasoning inevitably leads ...

So what about the Wigner's friend experiment. https://qr.ae/pveiQl

I read through his stuff and all his thoughts inevitably lead to solipsism the same way that idealism does. Like you have to have MAJOR cognitive diss...

Which link was that one?

Are you serious or sarcastic right now? I think solipsism being true would be the end of any sort of science.

Sooooo you're saying Quantum Mechanics essentially says solipsism is true?

The fact they link to experiments and science sites and I just have your word. Most like this just reference the Wigner's Friend experiment. https://q...

Well no. Color doesn't exist even though it is an "experience" in our heads. Phantom limb isn't a real experience and neither are hallucinations eithe...

The links seem to say different. Even the first one I posted about useful fictions. Though TBH referring to other people as a useful fiction scares me...

How do you know? I from all the links I've gathered there seems to be something to there being no objective reality based on what that guy on Quora is...

Well no, if it's not real then it's not really an experience of an apple but just what looks like an apple. A dream wouldn't really be much of an expe...

Additional food for thought: https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/03/12/136684/a-quantum-experiment-suggests-theres-no-such-thing-as-objective-realit...

But experience of what? Experience only is coherent with a corresponding thing of experience.

Sounds like it does have a concern with real since experience is in the mix.

It sounds so much like it though.

Like I said I'm not that good at this sort of thinking let alone reading.

Suffering is what makes pleasure and joy mean something. Without that contrast they eventually dull. Plus looking at all the different responses to su...

How is that? I'm just asking because I didn't really follow what was being said.

Actually waaaaaayyyy at the bottom he makes it clear that this is NOT solipsism and explains the problems associated with going in that direction. Not...

I wouldn't say nothing exists.

You do have logical proof though and to a lesser extent empirical.

There is no seed, it's a non starter and not to mention not even related to the behind you question. Whether you do or don't it won't change that ther...

I don't consider that possibility valid. More like reality, no amount of philosophical musing will change that.

How do you know? You just do. Let's also not forget that there are dire consequences for doubting a behind you. Try breaking hard in traffic and see t...

It is some variation of survival instinct or another. Meaning is just another invention we make to trick ourselves into believing life is worthwhile.

Not really, so far they are facts not beliefs. Anything saying you are not the body hasn't held up very well

No, that's just a claim. There is nothing to say the world wouldn't end if I died. You make too many assumptions. Yes, no, no, no. Getting killed bein...

Why indeed but that's not really an argument to continue living. Also "unjust", "unnecessary"? That's casting an awful lot of assumptions onto existen...

Not really no, there is not courage to living when its the default. If anything courage is killing yourself when evolution and society say to keep goi...

This topic always gives me a headache.

Living does not require courage, that's just rationalization to avoid having to reckon with death, same with calling death boring. That's sort of igno...

Well you can't really be sure about that. Once I die it is blackness, I cannot verify past that. Also your point about disassembling is what Ernest Be...

Motive implies I choose it and it is part of me, but it isn't. It's just a force more or less that prevents me from doing stuff. I don't really want t...

That's what I'm saying. The only reason people IMO live is survival instinct because to me death just makes more logical sense. Never having to do goo...

I think you are making the same incorrect assumptions about me that everyone else is, not to mention showing me that you haven't read my posts.

Again making the mistake in thinking there is something wrong. I've done the research and found out most suicide attempts end in failure, that there r...

Ahh, again you misunderstand. This has nothing to do with peace in life, it's about the cessation of all things. Death does afford a peace, in a sense...

I think you're missing the point. In death there is no need for such things, it all ends. So there's no need to seek the good stuff. They don't fear d...

It does though. My main point about the good things in life is that you don't need any of that in death so they aren't reasons to really stick around....

Well no it's not. I wouldn't call the survival drive "me" it's just an obstacle that I can't surmount. Life is not preferable to me, however that does...

Because getting there, as I already stated, is hard and unreliable as things stand and a failure will result in further attempts to prevent me from it...

That would be wrong to say. I talk to others because, well what else is there? I mentioned the goal was to make life tolerable until the end. Just bec...

Value may only lie in existence, yes, so that is why I can see value in not having to perform the song and dance anymore. The same goes for the absenc...