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I would like to interject my idea of peak experience. Peak experience is often thought of as the exceptional achievements of athletes, artists, actors...

The uncertainty principle never leaves us – no matter what you think or believe. Why are we here? Are we here to convince others of our righteousness?...

Ok - you have been there, so I will take your word for it.

A keen insight.

We have no idea a black hole is a singularity. Maybe it is a big drain hole into another universe? To say a black hole at its core is infinitely dense...

Why are we all so biased? We are biased because we are alone. We are imprisoned in our little boxes – isolated – solitary confinement. We yearn for co...

Is a singularity a infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past?

I think your arguments are strong. What I would like you to consider is the number “host of basic contributory factors”. It seems like a lot of luck.

The idea of a singularity is absurd. That everything, essentially, came from nothing – defies all logic. I would like to hear why it is mathematically...

I think this is a very strong point. We don’t see the universe – our view is limited and myopic. However, just because we can’t see the totality doesn...

I would ask you to prove the antithesis, but I know in the end that thesis is speculation too. I have already been there – done that. The difference i...

I find both of you individual's funny. I put forward sound logic; neither of you addressed it. Then you tried to show me order without causation – a f...

Because that's the best I can do.

I speculate there is a God - I can not prove God.

I beg to differ – integers are a man-made invention – they do not exist in time and space – only in the mind of man. Show me another example of someth...

No - speculate there is a God.

No - but you keep resorting to insults - that is trolling - and pompous. Here is my logic again – I would be happy for you to show me the error of my ...

My logic is strong – your rebuttal is not. I beg to differ – a hypothesis is speculation – and that is good enough for me. There is no absolute certai...

I tried to lay out my case logically and you mock me – ok – I can absorb that. However, I do not see a serious argument from you?

Cause and effect are part of physics. Therefore the laws of physics bring about a degree of order. There is also a degree of disorder which happens by...

How I see order in the universe is through the laws of physics. There is a consistency in “things”. Additionally I see order in our planet. The follow...

I agree - I am way off topic with the Islam thing - it should be in a isolated thread. Maybe I will start one. No more comments here on Islam.

The logic of the analogy is of a tidy room. Not a found room or universe. Conditions that are observed. A tidy room is analogous to an ordered univers...

My logic forms a hypothesis – not a conclusion – a big difference.

I do not see coincidence as the dominant principle - design is the dominant principle of the universe. However, coincidence is part of the design.

I do not see coincidence as the dominant principle - design is the dominant principle of the universe. I would agree it is an assertion - a hypothesis...

There is order in the universe. There is cause and effect in the universe. Order is a function of cause and effect.

3 choices - either - or - and/or - both.

That is each person's existential choice.

It takes cause and effect.

Because the number of coincidences are too numerous to ignore.

That is not my logic – my logic would be: There is order in the universe. There is cause and effect in the universe. Order is a function of cause and ...

What I did say repeatedly is that the tidy room is not coincidence. What I am saying additionally is that consciousness and volition are also not coin...

Now, we get back to the idea of coincidence – we are starting to get a lot of very fortunate coincidences. How lucky for us.

Preference – why do we have a predilection? Another untidy phenomenon thrown into the mix. Where did “it” come from?

Actually the tidy room is both tidy and untidy because it is a quantum tidy room. I like being absurd – it's untidy.

I never got your argument of fallacious logic - I guess you don't need it - just say it is so. Maybe if you say it repeatedly we will take it as fact ...

No one can prove a sentient force put in motion cause and effect. All I can say is thank you for doing a good and orderly job. Can anybody prove a sen...

I think the crux of the matter comes down to causation. Is there cause and effect in the universe? I think there is. Order is a function of cause and ...

Well, I vote to make you the moderator of what is fallacious.

Ice cream is sinful?

Because ice cream we eat in the tidy room.

Because the tidy room is not coincidence.

Exactly – the tidy room is not coincidence.

I find the argument that order is just coincident to be bizarre. I find it bizarre that order and causation are not related.

Is there order in your logic? Is your logic part of the universe? Did order come about only after humans got here? Please explain what is not orderly ...

What the OP first said is that there is a tidy room. The OP did not say first that there is a conscious agency. What the analogy asks is why the room ...

You are very good at throwing out labels - fallacy - sophism - Non sequitur: Affirming the consequent - not so good at explaining them. I guess we jus...

I think you are missing the OP’s point. The point is an analogy – one idea to represent another. A room, a movie, a piece of art is a representation o...

The idea of the original thesis is that things are put together very well – too well for it to be a coincidence.