apokrisis

Have you looked up the definition of that yet?

Shit and move on, heh? Sounds like a plan. :)

I'll pull these relevant bits out of a previous thread - https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/comment/133433 So Huston, we indeed have a moral di...

Speaking up for pragmatic veganism now, it might be worth checking this on the future of animal-less meat and dairy ... https://vimeo.com/229663434 Ra...

Yes. To the degree that the argument might have been based on subjective feeling rather than rational debate. A fanatic argues from the basis of emoti...

Read what I wrote. I accepted ethical consistency and challenged empathy/compassion (as monotonic foundations). Well yeah. This is a philosophy site. ...

Long story. :)

But veganism IS cult-like. It is one thing to talk about the pragmatic health or environmental benefits. It is another to want to take over the world ...

I agree consistency is a different kind of thing here. It is a principle of constraint we are applying to the general discussion. But aren't compassio...

To remind you... ...so I have accepted ethical consistency as a constraint and challenged the monotonic absolutism of empathy/compassion as "pillars" ...

Why so bitter and trollish today? Are you so easily confused by words that you don't see I asked Chatterbears to address the issue of how limits ought...

Thanks for agreeing. Chatterbears's position asks us to just accept our subjectively revealed beliefs as if they were objective moral absolutes. So li...

I'm employing the same slippery slope logic that you are employing here. Why can't I believe that eating meat is just part of who I am as a sentient b...

Right. So you accept that this is a legitimate counter-interest. And now your problem is how to prevent sliding down the same slippery slope you emplo...

Yep. Lab meat should use 10% of the land and water, produce 10% of the emissions. So there are huge environmental and economic arguments in its favour...

How can an exception be justified if it has no grounds? Sure fine. But your dependence on subjectivity and absolutism leaves you open to the counter-p...

Keep on inventing things I never said. I'll sit back and watch you win arguments that are just against yourself.

So they are not necessary. But the only way to "care about them" is to "hold true" in a fashion that is idealistically one note and not pragmatically ...

I’d say the essential weakness here is that it would be inconsistent to claim that compassion and empathy are ever universally applied in exceptionles...

Yet this is what I did say. You can be clever without being wise. Sharp without being broad. Short-term without being long-term. Particular without be...

Yes I mentioned the golden rule as a specific example of how it would work. So why would we say that a maxim or principle like this might encode an es...

Is that what I said? Or did I say that we have this neurocognitive division, this complementary approach, that is then something that functions in an ...

I argued that either further more particular constraints decide the matter, or it then becomes an accidental outcome.

How is that not what I said? My point would be that wisdom would zero in on optimal solutions as a matter of established habit while cleverness would ...

Yes. I meant transpersonal.

Yep. Romanticism in a nutshell. Society and brute nature holds us back. If only we could tread the transhuman path, we could all turn into happy angel...

Where for a minute did I say it was rule-following? Talk about reading things through your own lens here. Rules or laws reflect a mechanical belief in...

Yep. But note the big difference also. This is the Romantic version of the psychology where becoming skilled is an expression of your truest self. And...

I think you are hoping to evade my point. If your need is food and you haven't got the option of being particular, then any item will do just as well....

But here you are talking about cleverness rather than wisdom - so attentional-level processing and hence phenomenology, rather than habit which has it...

Business as usual then. :) For me, what is I am interested in emphasising is this counter-intuitive - because it ain't the usual mechanical way of thi...

Is that how it works? If you are really hungry, you can't afford to be too fussy. Food in general will satisfy your need. But if you have a well-stock...

Your definition was oddly specific or personal. But you can see how it relates to the very characteristics I have outlined. Wisdom would be achieving ...

So when you look up the definition, how do you react to that?

The ethical aspect would be that wisdom - by my definition here - is characterised by its stability, balance and pragmatism. It contrasts with clevern...

But for me, a generality, and thus a habit, is a constraint. A constraint does not dictate some particular path. It supplies the finality, the essenti...

Counter-argument to what exactly? Don't keep wasting my time.

Of course. Have another go. Wheel out the habit, the template image of the zealot, the religious crank. Pretend you have assimilated my remarks to tha...

Read what? You talked about things encased in resin or folk being oppressed. It didn't add up to a counter-argument, just some angry spluttering noise...

So how to act dead before you are dead? Sounds legit. Next stop on this chain of "wisdom", nihilism, existentialism, pessimism and other varieties of ...

As I said, it is a natural cycle. Organisms become well adapted to their worlds by accumulating habits. And that is great until the world changes too ...

Is that what you call taking things back? :razz: But anyway, I set out my argument. I'll have to wait until you can identify some specific fault in it...

What other purposes did you have in mind for wisdom that aren't directly tied to living your life in a generally clever and well-adapted fashion?

So you took what I said and twisted it to make it fit some template you have acquired and now you feel safe? Your habit of thought trumps my clever (b...

Don't you mean an end to judgement? Once you have the answer, then you are wise. If you still need to judge, you at best only have a clever idea and a...

My reaction too when I read it some time back. Though the "reveal" can be seen as another layer of pose - him re-framing in a way that socially legiti...

But you unwisely, if cleverly, ignore the argument I gave in support of my position. I said wisdom is habit because it has that same essential charact...

Where is your evidence that on the whole habit is that which fails to work? How could that even be the case, logically speaking? So yes, old habits ca...

Cleverness is an idea that could work. Wisdom is a habit that does work. That is why the old are wise. They have had the time to develop robust habits...

If final cause is understood as constraint, then you have a much simpler story where determinism is just the limits imposed on chance happenings. Choi...