apokrisis

That leads to the symbol grounding problem - how does a code do its job? A code is "physic-less" not because it has no material base, but because that...

Sure. And that takes about 10 seconds on Google. So.... The equation you seek to avoid is next to that caption in Box 1. The familiar gambit. But look...

You read the comments on YouTube videos? And yet you say you are too old to watch the videos themselves? Meh. A curious approach to scholarship indeed...

I'm not sure I understood your question. But I think the answer is that the computational approach to mind is inherently Cartesian, hence dualist and ...

And I was joking - with the intent of demonstrating that cancel culture is indeed a slippery slope where no formula of words can escape criticism.

Yep. A totalising theory must still have some counterfactual impact on our thought. A new paradigm must be able to knock down the one it means to repl...

Banno compounded the confusion for sure. But my comment was directed at the dark-room problem itself. It is motivated by a misunderstanding of the the...

Thought crime! Stereotyping, ageist and offensive to cis-males who identify as anxious. (There is no escaping, is there?)

I see this as more the weak link. The post did "adopt and support" the bannable view. But I think of espousing more as trying to force your views on o...

Wow. Did you just espouse transphobia? Thought crime! Banned! Cancelled! :grin:

No. Evolution works by accelerating the ambient rate of entropification. It gets the second law to its destination faster. Yep.

They embody claims. So they proclaim, if you like. Of course. And how does that square with what you also seem to believe about the mess of neurons in...

Thank you for these tutorials in the philosophy of science. But you might want to check your facts. Of course. In the same way that all theories have ...

My argument would be that all life and mind is semiotic. And so that means they have pragmatic intelligence. As levels of encoding, they can learn - i...

Thanks. And I picked up that you have formal training in maths and physics. Shame you didn't seem to want to go further with the ontic structural real...

But are you keeping up? I hear your usual plea for “small steps”. So probably not.

For some reason, you didn't want to save me the trouble. Well there are plenty of panpsychics and other variations of the same on this forum. You don'...

You can easily search for Friston's recent papers - https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_ylo=2020&q=karl+friston&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5 But you will see ho...

I think you have some misunderstanding here. Life and mind exist by constructing paths for entropy dissipation. The sun shining on bare rock winds up ...

I dunno. The more common complaint might be that Friston seemed to have changed names for his story so many times down the years. When I first met him...

You are a curious chap. If you are indeed the messenger, why do you keep disappearing at the very moment you are asked to deliver the message you clai...

And do the tests claim the theory is true? Or do they make the more modest epistemic claim that the theory seems pragmatically reliable in terms of th...

So there is just the one "stuff". You are making some kind of panpsychic claim in regards to your ontological commitments? Come on, be clear. This for...

It might do that in your mind. You do tend to argue a hell of a lot from "instinct" rather than reasoned fact. I just think it funny that your instinc...

Does science, in principle, verify or falsify its hypotheses? And would neuroscience talk about the feelings of insects in terms of them being compose...

Heh, I'll even save you the trouble of looking. Skip to minute 53 of this presentation to see the equations. https://youtu.be/CdhZF6Coseg

You do realise that that point is something specifically contained in the Bayesian maths of Friston’s approach? The trade off between model complexity...

That is another misrepresentation. Although I agree that as a formalism, it doesn’t tackle the code side of the semiotic modelling relation. Friston’s...

Yes. Darwin’s theory of evolution really hammered home that point. Nothing useful can ever result from talk about absolutely general constraints. I me...

So there are two kinds of descriptions, not two kinds of “things”? There is epistemic duality but not ontological duality? I want to be clear what you...

It is a sign of a strength of the free energy principle that the bogus “dark room problem” is the best opposition that might be mustered. If the only ...

In what sense is consciousness a “thing”. Do you want to say it has substantial being? Explain to me how that works.

Nope. I’m just asking you to attempt to justify your dualist framing of things. We haven’t got on to how things might be better framed under a triadic...

What do you think conscious experience is then - such that you could positively motivate this claim? Do you not think that the structure of the ear dr...

So does the function ever in fact happen “in the dark”? Is there any reason to believe that? You might say you can imagine it happening in the dark. B...

I’ve said that it is only a “problem” premised on a fundamental misunderstanding of Friston’s Bayesian approach. Banno is trying to do his usual thing...

Lieberman again? His dichotomy of desire dopamine and control dopamine is one way of talking about the contrasting actions of dopamine in the striatum...

A little dopamine keeps a state of focused attention/intention locked in. A sudden flush of dopamine wipes the slate clean. That explains the apparent...

Was the spelling ambiguous or just the semantic intent? :wink: For it to be in contention, folk would first need to demonstrate they understood it.

How many sigma before you accept such exceptions as signal rather than noise? Let’s get real about the scientific method.

For sure. It appears to be one of those fake philosophical posers intended to stoke the careers for those on both sides of the debate. Andy Clark has ...

Everyone has their opinions but not the receipts it seems. You are taking this free energy thing too literally. The clever thing Friston does is explo...

Not clear to you or not clear to the neuroscientists that drive Friston’s stellar h-index ranking. Shome difference shurely?

Don’t be evasive.

You certainly failed to offer any counter. You quoted Friston saying one thing, then you went off on some riff about your everyday definition of surpr...

You mean a certain entropy throughput that sustains its "far from equilibrium" structure. Work must be invested in keeping the structure in a continuo...

Do you read what I say? Of course once you can prevent the environment from increasing your belief uncertainty, you then lock in the possibility of ra...

This might be above your pay grade, but listen to Friston and he tells you he understands that he offers only a generalised theory of everything. To t...

But the theory actually states that life expresses the drive to avoid becoming randomised by its environment. It gets confusing because life and mind ...

:yawn: And yet where you correctly quote surprise as it is defined by Friston as.... You then go on to discuss it in terms of some pop-neuropsychology...