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Dissipative structures I would call pansemiosis. So between the animal and rational animal levels of autonomy/semiosis I would be proposing the furthe...

The argument is not about there being some important semiotic distinction to be made – I agree on that – but about the evolutionary facts of how they ...

This seems to me a far more pointed argument to be having. It appeals to the power of emergence. But emergence is also the slipperiest of arguments to...

How I would put it is that if there are four nested levels of semiosis, then each can be generally the same thing - a modelling relation in which a se...

Does general relativity conserve global energy and momentum then? :chin:

I’m finding GPT-5 to be rather contorted in is arguments and if this were some human student knocking out a paper, I would quickly toss it. A lot of v...

In academics, priority does count. But what counts even more is relevance to the issue at hand. I’m not at all sure what issue you mean to discuss. Bu...

Just to be clear, biosemiosis has to answer Howard Pattee's query: how does a molecule function as a message? And a neurobiologist would tend to wonde...

GTP-5 is as exhausting as any human responder on TPF. If Peirce is the guy who one would turn to for the metaphysical generality that would allow us t...

I remain flummoxed by your crazy logic. I'm reading your words but I can hear you really are just talking to yourself. :up:

You sound like Banno now. If you can't see it, then nothing to see. Ipso facto. You seem to completely not see that I just said Peirce went well beyon...

I'm almost pleased at how useless an answer GTP-5 gives. No one can accuse me of being the opaque one here. :grin: If you are playing chess, then that...

Citations? Bonkers. In what way are writing thoughts and speaking thoughts any different in kind? Of course one is more informal and in the moment, th...

Semiosis hinges on counterfactuality. Once semiosis runs out of counterfactuals, it lapses back into the vagueness from which it was boot-strapping it...

Well my argument is that the generic thing is semiosis. The idea that life and mind arise as Peirce's habits of interpretance or Rosen's modelling rel...

It’s a holistic account as it involves habits as well as attention, ignoring as well as selecting. The whole of the person as an agent with a history ...

Being embodied in some kind of world does get you towards being a semiotic system. So as I have said, yes, AI could be like life and mind in implement...

You are rehashing the multirealisability thesis from philosophy of mind. Computer science – being about Turing machines – would seem to support the id...

But there is then a neurobiological account of how this can be so. Pain as a trigger for an aversive response is hardwired into the brainstem. Hit the...

Your error is conflating behavior and consciousness. Your argument is that if a machine acts like a human, it thinks like a human. The pragmatic Turin...

This is a decent summary making quite a stir given that the LLM hype bubble could be about to bust the stock market. https://youtu.be/lXUZvyajciY?si=n...

Sure. Cybernetics has been with us since the first AI revolution of the 1950s. What the history of AI should tell us is that the architectural issues ...

I’m not too fussed with making the psychological science conform to the Wittgenstein model. But I would note preparedness is also being ready ahead of...

Again, this is about cognition being about anticipation-based processing. Forming expectancies that intercept the unfolding of the world even before i...

From the neurocognitive view, understanding means anticipation. Forming the right expectations. So if not meaning as demonstrated by use, then meaning...

What are you talking about? Writing came before speech, or something? Hands evolved before tongues? What's your hypothesis?

The literature is on this is massive. So there is no one fact. But what I would say is that genetics has made a big difference in clarifying the paleo...

There are always multiple theories when it comes to a critical issue like this. How else is any self-respecting academic going to forge a career? I sp...

Panpsychism can be rather a broad church. Hartshorne coined the dichotomy of synecological and atomistic panpsychism to cover this. So pantheism, or i...

I've been making this argument for many years. I may have expressed it better here...

Yep. This is the right line of thought, The danger is that if it can happen, it will. The second law will roll right over us. The whole machine age wa...

That’s why fully grammatical and propositional language made such a quick difference when Homo sapiens took over the world from the Neanderthals, Deni...

Yep. This is just rolling on to an argument I’ve made. Biosemiosis says that life and mind are the rise of “reality modelling” under the aegis of the ...

I think a snappy way of putting it is that when you turn on your TV, an image appears. But do you believe the TV is seeing anything as a result? LLMs ...

Yep, fair enough. :up:

Well yes. Just like tossing a post into the TPF bear pit. But one is casting a very wide net. You can do some rapid prototyping without having to be t...

But your deepest arguments are the ones you are willing to have against yourself. Which is how I structured my own early practice once word processors...

So the essence of TPF is that we have feelings about the authors of posts. And they must also respond with feeling. Sounds right. Now we are getting d...

Well now you are explaining the quirky appeal of TPF. And wanting to construct a preservation society around that. Which is fair enough. I agree that ...

First thing is that I have been surprised at how reasonable an answer you get. And second, if no one is treating LLMs as infallible, it could be simpl...

Or maybe more that some are getting away with shop-lifting. Or perhaps jay-walking. Or merely farting in a public place. Are you about to demand bring...

The culture of rational inquiry would seem to be what we most would value. But this is TPF after all. Let's not get carried away about its existing st...

Again it may be noble to protest against LLMs in principle. Of course the tech bros are stealing all our information to make themselves unreasonably r...

:grin: The problem there is that it won't bring all users up to the same high standard. It may indeed magnify the differences as those already used to...

I remember the joy of spell-check and find and replace. Then I got used to googling facts as I was going along rather than just guessing. Now an LLM s...

I agree in spirit. But let's be practical. A blanket ban on LLM generated OPs and entire posts is a no brainer. It would be wonderful to delete posts ...

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But can even humans claim that? Let’s rehash the forum’s most hardy perennial one more time. :up: Yep, the amplification is bipartisan. It applies to ...

Well yes. So it used to be me and a whole library. Now it is me pulling my own personal textbook out of the library, led by my chain of thought and no...

Are you saying that with PoMo philosophy, AI might have hit its particular sweet spot. :grin: