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Yep. Does it flinch as you take back a foot before kicking its cabinet? :up: For anyone interested in why large language models are being forced on us...

Yep. Animals can induce or form associations. They can tell the difference between one, two three and many. But deduction, like the counting, or learn...

Perhaps a sharper way to put it. If logic is meant to structure our thoughts and causality to structure the world, why should they not correspond in t...

Not a very adventurous reply. What else leaves us satisfied but that something works. It achieves some goal. It is consistent with our aims. So sure t...

Why not ground logic in its practical consequences? Like science. That way entailment and causality might start to look like they have something in co...

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Getting things back on track, you will remember my semiotic point was how language had to evolve to the point (and I mean culturally evolve more than ...

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Again, where do you think you get this right to insult me without making any attempt to engage with me?

Perhaps if you haven't properly delved into what I said.

You could start by Googling Everett’s G1/G2/G3 classification of grammar complexity if you are truly interested. It is relevant to the OP in that Ever...

So you project some woke position on to a factual debate? Sounds legit. I shouldn't be offended by your wild presumptions about who I am and what I th...

It is silly of you to say that until you can counter that argument in proper fashion. As is usual in any field of inquiry, we can fruitfully organise ...

Yep. I mentioned the "out of Africa coastal foraging package" – the explosive move that swept across the globe from about 60kya. Helped perhaps by cha...

Oh Banno. There really is no violin small enough to serenade your self-portrayal as the eternal victim of these exchanges. Comedy gold.

Your problem is that I win national awards for my writings on these issues. I publish books. I speak at conferences. You just sit there fuming. Thinki...

Too much shouting for this time of the morning. "Mabel! Call the plumber. It's back again!"

Speech with a fully modern syntactic structure. I will treat this as opinion until you make a better argument. This is a topic I've studied and so lis...

Err. Contradicting yourself much? I mean does natalism even feel it must rally around some charismatic leader? Does it even have to explain itself to ...

So you know they had grammatical speech? What evidence are you relying on. I know this is a topic that folk get emotionally invested in. It seems unfa...

So a cult? But passive-aggressive? How could it be a strawman when my OP is about ethical precepts that can scale as political organisation? Another w...

Yep. Different was more in the case of Homo sapiens. :smile: A step up the semiotic ladder. The brains of Neanderthals were bigger (simply because of ...

The human difference is we have language on top of neurobiology. And the critical evolutionary step was not brain size but vocal cords. We developed a...

I think you have to give a role to chance in all this. Especially in the modern world where the life choices are so many. A favourite teacher could ti...

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So what does that change? My systems story says there are global constraints and local degrees of freedom. Choice exists for the individual on all thi...

Yep. You brought out the dialectical structure of the thought very nicely. :ok:

No I think “computation” is quite misguided in that direction. And what logic are we talking about? Boolean, Turing machine, floating point simulation...

Yep. I joke when using it as I don't take it as a serious ethical response to the brute fact of existence. Sure, we might want a politics that can smo...

Particular truths must be constrained by general truths. Particular worlds must be constrained by general worlds. This is the common structure of both...

I'm arguing that we don't really want to go all the way back to this kind of foraging future. That would require getting the population back down to t...

Good to know. :up:

In their details but not in their architecture. As any fool anthropologist kno'. A religious and conservative community might come up with a grounding...

That's another line of attack. To what degree can we tolerate a physics that is illogical or a logic that is unphysical? The two have to hang together...

But remember Beckenstein’s bound? Even information theory has achieved the entropic closure which seals its deal.

Another line to take on the question is to note how both logical entailment and physical causality share a presumption about global closure. A groundi...

That's fine. In line with those articles, the shift is to understand finality in terms of global constraints, not as some kind of futurised effective ...

Well given that I say this is all about the correctness of the dialectical view – the fact that nature organises itself as a local~global balancing ac...

You assert this. But I don't see the substantiation by way of an argument. It is plainly wrong that we are stuck in any map if the map is what we are ...

Bang on. It is answered by our dialectically-structured interaction with "the physics". It just helps not to talk like a lumpen realist about the phys...

That would be the negative framing. The positive one is that as physical creatures, we live off the negentropy we harvest as the free gift of the Cosm...

So like gauge invariance vs Poincaré invariance? Constrain spacetime to a manifold of points and it still has degrees of freedom in that the points ma...

You mean experimentally? - https://www.nature.com/articles/nphys3343 As a bone of contention? - https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-023-0...

This then may be a useful primer as well. A more recent attempt at the historical context.

That would be consistent with your rejection of quantum temporal entanglement I guess.

I'll give it some thought. No primer comes to mind as such. I speak from being engaged in this debate since the 1980s. So thousands of papers, many co...

OK.

So you shit on both sides of this divide? What intellectually does meet with your full approval?

No worries. It just goes to the larger Peircean project which argues that reality as the thing in itself would have to have this Darwinian logic. And ...

Better yet, we can subtract the human from the epistemic equation as best we can. That is, apply the scientific method, or Peirce's logical arc of abd...