apokrisis

What smells very fishy is the claim to ground value in the "being of human" and then to start equivocating when you are asked do you mean "human exper...

I could. But I can see you are not really interested in discussing.

Sounds like you didn't address the argument I happened to be making in the post to which you purported to be responding. Your "questions" amounted to ...

You don't recall stating it but that seems a fair implication. Or can you state in more positive fashion why it isn't.

That's just something my iPad spellchecker started auto-capitalising. I can't be arsed to correct it all the time. :) For the 1001st time you will be ...

Depends whether and how you can define "mind" in a suitably general Metaphysical fashion.

So the usual dualist or idealist position where only the mind can experience value? And truth, love and beauty are platonically real? Sounds so, welll...

I'm not following. Is the idea of there being some value that is at issue. Or is it the fact that the value claimed might be survival and not somethin...

If attitudes are explained as serving a purpose, then are they not justified?

I think you've got your threads crossed.

A slight issue could be that a pragmatist metaphysics is empirical in its realism. So reasonableness is tied to acts of measurement. That is how it is...

Yeah. That Enlightenment. What a joke, eh?

What do you mean? Is there some other conclusion to the argument as I laid it out?

Exactly. Hence that characterises theists as not naturalists.

In Uroboros fashion, semiotics claims to be a theory of scientific reasoning as well as a science of signs generally. So it explains itself. The ontic...

Of course not. To deny metaphysics is not to do metaphysics. That sounds totally legit.

You keep skipping the part where I say it is about a balance. And so that balance does have a cosmic backdrop if you are a natural philosopher who doe...

What would a fractal Uroboros look like? What if while eating its tail, it was spawning smaller urobori, each of which in turn produced urobori still ...

Yeah. The young are clever, but the old are wise. The specific action becomes absorbed into the general habit and loses it contingency in the process....

Of course. If you can frame me in this fashion, its a TKO right? So ignore the fact that I'm not playing the philosophy vs science game. Ignore that I...

Everyone has an opinion. Some of us also have the science. From the point of view of Peircean semiosis, that's moving along really nicely.

So when I argue the exact opposite - that only my holism foundationally requires the irreducible freedom or spontaneity that your reductionism is so f...

But my own argument doesn't deny the observer. It explictly includes observers along with observables. That is why it is properly holistic. Where I de...

Yep. Some balance of competition (play) and co-operation (nice) that is in generally conducive to the persistence of the state of being which is the a...

Yep. And being consistent, I argue for it holistically. And I argue that holism is just an ontic modelling relation, so that is then argued on epistem...

Your arguments are crooked because they are not straight. And to what degree are they not-straight? Completely crooked in being as closed to efforts t...

Or perhaps this entire pattern of reductionist reasoning is wrong when dealing with holistic realities? So yes, one can "construct an argument" in goo...

I've shown how you are making an is-ought argument, but based on a false mechanical view of nature and false pessimistic representation of phenomenolo...

And yet schoolboy maths contradicts you. And curves are measured using the reciprocal extremes of tangents and osculatory circles. Perfect lines or pe...

This is what then doesn't make sense. If the crooked is the not straight (in some degree), then only something straight could be used to measure the d...

That's the point. You finally got there.

Yet all of them are defined in reference to the straight. That being the point.

Of course not. You would argue the toss even with a dictionary. Great. And what particular shape does each of those particular words refer to then? Cu...

So do you agree that "straight" is routinely understood as being the antonym of these various forms of crookedness - "bent", "twisted", or "curved"? T...

So when you plug "bent", "twisted", or "curved" into a thesaurus and click the antonym button, does it get all squirmy and evasive, protesting why are...

Sure. And we can feel the opposite. So from which "is" should we derive the "ought" here? You are saying because you, in the end, experience "nothing ...

If something is not bent, what is it? If something is not twisted, what is it? If something is not curved, what is it? Just say the word. :)

So now you have all these other description of crooked - bent, twisted, curved, etc. If something is not bent, what is it? If something is not twisted...

And so you change the subject yet again.

My point remains the same. Crookedness is defined in terms of a departure from straightness. Or the alternative is to be able to imagine "idealised cr...

Do you mean apart from the pun on Tau and Tao? The whole argument is that a full 360 degree rotation is a more fundamental natural unit than a half 18...

OK. So after telling me how long something is - after all its crookedness has been flattened out - when are you going to tell me how crooked it is?

Huh? That was the bees in your bonnet.

So you keep avoiding my question of how you would actually measure crookedness. Is there any way other than comparing it to what it is most directly n...

Yeah. Look at all this talk about naturalistic fallacies and false dichotomies. Who knows what these crazy folk are talking about. Why can't they spea...

So how are you measuring crookedness? You have thrown away the notion of its converse - the ideal of the perfectly straight. What now? Talk me through...

Is a crooked object one that is not straight in your view? If so, you have just defined it in contrast to straightness. You are claiming to have measu...

How are you defining naturalistic fallacy? The original version was the claim that what feels good is what is good. And clearly that isn't what I argu...

What jargon were you struggling with exactly in the bit you quoted? But given your rhetorical strategy is to keep tooting "naturalistic fallacy", ther...

Crikey. That's nothing like how Kerr explained it. He said his metric was a mathematical description of a flat space containing a spinning object. Tho...