apokrisis

You built your version of the thought experiment based on a series of confusions. The victim had a mistaken belief about how it worked. The technician...

This seems a different issue to the mind-body problem that the thought experiment was originally addressing. So of course I would agree our understand...

If so, how would he have come to his misunderstanding? Or does "psychological continuity" mean something other than the embodied and enactive view of ...

This is a problem with dichotomies. They don't become fully developed until they are turned into hierarchies. That is, it is easy enough to claim the ...

But you have set this up so that the victim acted on a misunderstanding. And that over-complicates things. It seems the victim expected to have his mi...

I’m confused. Isn’t this supporting my point? Each of these are a pair of terms that are being dialectically opposed. Each is understood as what it is...

Seems to me that your argument is that the "you" involved here bifurcated at the moment of the intervention. So there are two legitimate points of vie...

The problem lies in making a circular argument. If wisdom is defined as some single essence - such as the good, the worthy, or even the adaptive - the...

Thanks for reminding me just how much of a crackpot he is.

This is metaphysics we are talking about. Substance is a claim about what “stands under”. And ontologically that is usually regarded as a stuff. A pas...

You said nothing that adds anything. There is a world of difference between belief and “belief” in this debate.

So it always has the same aim. Wisdom always aims to be wise? Not sure this is a huge step forward. That’s the trouble with talk about value as someth...

I see nothing in Friston’s monograph supporting the claim that rocks have beliefs in any normal sense. A note on p84 explicitly says that by Bayesian ...

You are just blustering rather than addressing my criticisms.

Sure. But the brain doing all this is the same brain with the same cognitive structure. So the only difference is that playing chess is a highly const...

Which authors? I was discussing these things with Friston back in the 1990s when it was all about dynamical systems theory and generative neural netwo...

Proves my point. Cleverness turns into wisdom over time as what was novel becomes the routine. The novice player tries to be clever with elaborate plo...

As I say, this part is epistemology 101 so far as it goes. What cognitive scientist doesn’t say this sort of thing? Of course our notions of matter ar...

I plainly said that information and entropy are just mathematical systems of measurement. They don’t tell us about informing or entropifying as real w...

I come back to the point that to claim belief for a rock is to collapse your epistemology into ontological confusion. Sure, one might have the intelle...

I was reacting to the first paper. The second by Friston is far more challenging and I’m glad you flagged it. A quick point is that the kind of dynami...

No, it really doesn’t. The information that the rock contains bears no resemblance to a system of belief. You can present your evidence to the contrar...

You may misunderstand. A rock doesn’t actually have beliefs about its environment. So Bayesian mechanics is based on thermo maths - the minimisation o...

Beyond language, there is the maths. Is that what perturbs you?

Doesn't society always attach that judgement on the individual while being equally convinced of its own inherent worth? Being worthy of love is someth...

But two seconds on AI would sort that out for you. And it is the most basic of philosophical distinctions. Philosophy being philosophy then takes a th...

Wisdom seems to provoke a lot of wistfulness around here. But prosaically, it is only the habituation of intelligence. The construction of a generalis...

As epistemology, his point is mundane. As an ontological commitment, it makes the usual idealist mistake. Idealism is the reaction against reductionis...

But you had to invent your own term to turn information back into informing. So you clearly can see there is an issue to be sorted. Entropy/informatio...

So you wish to limit your definition of a system to an organism then? Which is fine, as code-based or semiotic systems are their own class of thing. L...

Boom and bust is a natural thing. Speak to an environmentalist and they would say all legislation would have to be framed through the lens of how your...

Sure. That’s the game here. To the degree you state something clear, then there is something to expand upon or challenge. :up: The interesting thing h...

This is a misunderstanding that arises if you view Nature as a piece of reductionist machinery. But not if you view it as an organic whole. Systems sc...

A reductionist might say - on epistemic principle - that there is this either/or choice. But the holist would expect order and chaos to compose a … sy...

This is key. And it goes deeper as a system in fact exists on the edge of chaos, as they say. It feeds off instability. It is the stability that arise...

My problem with this is it lapses into substance ontology which is reductionist. An ontology of stuffs rather than of processes or the holism of syste...

That could be an implication. But the evidence is against it. A system’s metaphysics is usually understood as being about closure under causality. A s...

From a neurocognitive viewpoint, I would say the most useful definition is to oppose wisdom and cleverness. They relate to each other as the general a...

A system is formed of its interactions rather than constructed from its components. So a general systems theory is successful to the degree it takes t...

Fibre bundle?

This is all arse backwards. Special relativity unified space and time under Poincare invariance. Dimensionality emerges under the 4D Minkowski signatu...

How can Firstness be independently real? Either Peirce’s logic is understood to be irreducibly triadic or it’s not. So that is enough nonsense now.

You keep accusing me of exactly what I don’t claim. You then post something that nicely supports my systems causality argument. :roll: Seeing as you a...

Where did I say it was discarded? It gets incorporated into the wholeness of triadic interpretance. Redness becomes something we can name – a species ...

But as Gemini told you: "The main reasons for their doubt often centered on the perceived lack of a sufficiently powerful and light engine, or an inco...

Biosemiosis inverts this framing. We are the machinery that can constrain the world to our own advantage. We are modellers of the world for the purpos...

You mean history shows we ignored the folk dumb enough to claim that. As soon as gliders and motors showed some concrete promise, there was a rush to ...

I'm not disputing agency. I'm defining it properly in terms of naturalistic metaphysics. If you want to be right, then get it right. The maxim is: "If...

A silly comment when Peirce explicity developed his semiosis by starting from phenomenology and extrapolating to logic and metaphysics. Remember how y...

The Universe is a hierarchy of constraints. But note that constraints are more a passive than an active thing. It is like putting a fence around a flo...