I don’t even understand what you’re asking. What do you mean by “pick out”? Are you asking me to name each hue without using words? Obviously I can’t ...
This obsession that you and others have with Wittgenstein and language is a hopeless confusion. Colour experiences, like other experiences, concerns s...
I don’t need words to see that there are lighter and darker shades of red. I don’t need language to see colour at all because seeing colours does not ...
I can distinguish shades of red. https://www.color-hex.com/palettes/23370.png I can see that there are 5 different colours (or hues if you prefer), no...
Our eyes are detecting and responding to the same wavelengths of light. We see different colours because our brains react differently to the signals s...
What does Wittgenstein's private language argument have to do with anything we're discussing here? We have words like "pain" and "sensation" that refe...
See what I said to Banno about the distinction between the adjective "red" and the noun "red": Colours, as ordinarily understood in everyday life, are...
Carrying on from this, here are two different claims: 1. An object is red if it looks red 2. An object looks red because it is red With the first, a s...
Because that's what this discussion is about. We're accepting realism in the general sense; atoms exist, reflecting wavelengths of light, and trees ar...
But you just did with pain? You accept that pain is a mental percept. Presumably you accept that trees are not a mental percept? Or are you actually a...
The adjectives "red" and "painful" describe things like pens and stubbing one's toe. The nouns "red" and "pain" refer to the mental percepts that pens...
Do you believe that pain is a mental percept or a mind-independent property of distal objects? If the former, does this lead to something like idealis...
And adding cold water to boiling water means I no longer feel pain when I put my hand in the water. That doesn’t entail that pain is a mind-independen...
Some paint reflects 700nm light, which causes us to see red. Some paint reflects 450nm light, which causes us to see blue. Painting your room changes ...
You're misunderstanding. The Morning Star is a planet, but it is perfectly appropriate to ask if the Morning Star is a planet or a star (e.g. if one i...
I'll finish my time here by quoting the SEP article again. I believe this summary is correct: I trust physicists and neuroscientists over Wittgenstein...
That it's wrong. The word "percepts" refers to percepts, the word "pain" refers to a subset of percepts, and the word "colour" refers to a different s...
I don't understand what you're asking. All I am saying is that colours as ordinarily understood are, like pain, mental percepts. I don't deny that the...
The cause of the percept "transcends" the individual, sure. And we all agree that stubbing one's toe is painful. But pain is nonetheless a mental perc...
Do you deny that percepts exist when we dream? Do you deny that colours are properties of dreams? If you do not deny either then you must accept that ...
So to make this simple, here are two sets of claims: Naive realism 1. Our ordinary conception of colours is that of sui generis, simple, intrinsic, qu...
I perceive pain and pleasure. Pain and pleasure are mental percepts. I perceive smells and tastes. Smells and tastes are mental percepts. I perceive c...
It's unclear what you mean here. You seem to be using the singular noun "colour", which presumably refers to a singlular thing. So there's some singul...
You are back to using the adjective "red". I am talking about the nouns "red" and "colour". Do you understand the distinction between an adjective and...
If I am seeing the wrong colours then the colours I see are not mind-independent properties of the computer screen. So what are these colours I see? P...
He doesn't conflate. He recognises, as I have been arguing, that colours as ordinarily understood and talked about are the appearances/percepts, not a...
Yes, I mentioned that in an earlier post. But what should be noted is that those who claim that colours are mind-independent clearly believe that ther...
I didn't enter this discussion to question scientific realism and argue for idealism or solipsism or nihilism. I am simply explaining what the science...
Your argument seems to be that if I claim that colours are mind-dependent then to be consistent I must claim that everything is mind-dependent. This i...
It talks about "different individuals view the same image ... reported it to be widely different colors" and "different individuals experienc differen...
No, it's a scientific fact. There's a whole bunch of studies on the matter, such as Exploring the Determinants of Color Perception Using Thedress and ...
It's not arbitrary. I've just read up on some physics and neuroscience of perception. Atoms are mind-independent objects with mind-independent propert...
The word "experiences" refers to experiences, so why can't the word "colours" refer to a subset of experiences? And again, the use of the nouns "white...
I haven't denied this. I've only argued that our ordinary, everyday understanding of colours is an understanding of colour experiences, not an underst...
That depends on what you mean by "know". If you mean certainty, then sure; we can't know what each person is experiencing. If you mean a true, justifi...
We certainly have evidence that colour experiences can differ between individuals; the dress is the obvious example, but also differences in color cat...
Referring to the SEP article you referenced before: Our ordinary conception of colours is that colours are "simple intrinsic, non-relational, non-redu...
The word "red" can be used to refer to an object's disposition to cause certain colour experiences, but they ordinarily refer to those certain colour ...
They aren't referring to both. When my colleague and I look at the photo of the dress we see different colours. The noun "colours" isn't referring to ...
"Visual percepts" is standard terminology in the neuroscience of perception. See visual percepts evoked with an intracortical 96-channel microelectrod...
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