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But that's the non-omniscience principle? Without it we must accept that every true proposition is known to be true – which is what Fitch's paradox sh...
June 28, 2022 at 08:23
The formal definition is ?p(p ? ¬Kp): there exists some proposition p that is true and not known to be true. For example, either "the Riemann hypothes...
June 28, 2022 at 08:10
I've done so a couple of times: here and here.
June 28, 2022 at 07:57
Fitch's paradox shows that if all truths are knowable then all truths are known. Some truths aren't known, therefore some truths aren't knowable.
June 27, 2022 at 21:59
That's not how the rules of inference work.
June 27, 2022 at 21:11
There exists a being x and a time t such that x knows at t that proposition p is true: ?x?t(Kxtp) 1. p ? ??x?t(Kxtp) 2. p ? ¬?x?t(Kxtp) 3. ??x?t(Kxt(p...
June 27, 2022 at 18:58
See here for an explanation in ordinary language.
June 27, 2022 at 16:52
Where's the language game here? 1. p ? ?Kp (knowability principle) 2. q ? the Riemann hypothesis is correct 3. r ? the Riemann hypothesis is not corre...
June 27, 2022 at 16:42
By someone at some time. In fact the opposite: Kp ? ?Kp. No, because if you address the formal logic of the argument you will see that it entails a co...
June 27, 2022 at 15:51
In reality, yes. However, Fitch's paradox shows that the knowability principle entails that there are no unknown truths. That's why Fitch's paradox sh...
June 27, 2022 at 15:08
OK. But it's still the case that the argument shows that, given the knowability principle, all truths are known. However, it's a fact that some truths...
June 27, 2022 at 14:47
If there are no unknown truths then all truths are known.
June 27, 2022 at 14:44
OK. This has nothing to do with Fitch's paradox.
June 27, 2022 at 14:43
The argument shows that if we assume p ? ?Kp then p ? Kp follows. Kp ? Kp is a truism that doesn't need Fitch's paradox to prove. No, I need to show t...
June 27, 2022 at 14:28
By "known truth" I mean "a proposition that someone knows to be true" and by "unknown truth" I mean "a proposition that no-one knows to be true."
June 27, 2022 at 14:23
A known truth. Yes, either "the Riemann hypothesis is correct" is an unknown truth or "the Riemann hypothesis is not correct" is an unknown truth. Whi...
June 27, 2022 at 14:13
Which is a false interpretation. I've explained the logic several times.
June 27, 2022 at 14:02
And yet we don't know which of "the Riemann hypothesis is correct" and "the Riemann hypothesis is not correct" is true, but one of them must be. There...
June 27, 2022 at 13:55
The non-omniscience principle is the principle that there is some proposition p that is true and that we don't know to be true. Either "the Riemann hy...
June 27, 2022 at 13:13
This has no bearing on Fitch's paradox.
June 27, 2022 at 12:41
Us, now.
June 27, 2022 at 11:42
p is "the Riemann hypothesis is true". q is "the Riemann hypothesis is false". Either p or q is true and neither p nor q is known to be true. Therefor...
June 27, 2022 at 11:07
As I said to Luke, this isn't what Fitch's paradox is (necessarily) saying. It's saying that there is some proposition that is not known to be true. T...
June 27, 2022 at 11:01
Does it? On the opposite view, what is needed to hold all material things together for them to have regularities?
June 27, 2022 at 10:32
The fuzzy term "common logic" but not the term "fuzzy logic"? Sorry, couldn't help myself. :wink:
June 27, 2022 at 10:30
However, this seems a well reasoned reassurance: Why Other Fundamental Rights Are Safe (At Least for Now)
June 27, 2022 at 10:27
The problem with that is that it's relatively easy to overturn a law. Even if the Democrats are able to pass a federal law to protect these rights, wh...
June 27, 2022 at 10:19
Yes, his solution is probably the one I'm most partial to. See here.
June 27, 2022 at 09:48
Yes, I was considering the same sort of thing. I think this kind of self-referential knowledge is victim to the same problems as other self-referentia...
June 27, 2022 at 09:13
I think you're the only one guilty of equivocation here. In the context of the argument, Kp means "it is known that the statement p is true". It does ...
June 27, 2022 at 08:05
Then that's a denial of the knowability principle. The problem is that if you insist on the knowability principle then the only other way to avoid a c...
June 27, 2022 at 07:59
Maybe if I make it clearer you can see: 1. p??Kp (knowability principle) 2. q ? p?¬Kp (define q as something that is true but not known to be true) 3....
June 27, 2022 at 07:58
1. p??Kp 2. ¬Kp 3. p?¬Kp??K(p?¬Kp) The logic is straightforward and results in a contradiction.
June 26, 2022 at 20:07
The knowability principle is the principle that a statement is true if and only if it is possible to know that the statement is true. If it is not pos...
June 26, 2022 at 16:52
Then I will offer a specific example of p: 1. if the Riemann hypothesis is true then it is possible to know that the Riemann hypothesis is true 2. we ...
June 26, 2022 at 16:27
We don't know that p is true in this case.
June 26, 2022 at 16:22
No, it shows that every true statement is known to be true. I explained this here. I'll try to be even clearer now: 1. if p is true then it is possibl...
June 26, 2022 at 16:17
Yes, and as the knowability principle is the principle that p is true if it is possible to know that p is true it then follows from what you say here ...
June 26, 2022 at 15:48
No it isn't. The non-omniscience premise of the argument is that there is some statement p that is not known to be true. We might very well know of th...
June 26, 2022 at 15:39
On the grounds that we can't know both that p is true and that we don't know that p is true. That's a contradiction.
June 26, 2022 at 15:28
But we don't know which of the statements is true, which means that we must reject the knowability principle. The argument is that if it is possible t...
June 26, 2022 at 15:24
I don't see how that addresses the paradox. Assuming the law of non-contradiction and the law of excluded middle, either "the box is empty" is true or...
June 26, 2022 at 13:59
I don't understand what this is saying at all.
June 26, 2022 at 11:33
Actually, thinking on it more, even this might not be correct. Consider the statement "there exists more than one mind" (or even the more specific "th...
June 26, 2022 at 10:15
I think it more accurate to say that if idealism is true then all true statements of the form "p exists" are apparent to a conscious mind, which doesn...
June 26, 2022 at 09:52
Yes
June 26, 2022 at 03:12
I’m saying that the truth of “if X had happened then Y would have happened” does not depend on the existence of a parallel world where X and then Y ha...
June 26, 2022 at 02:43
Yes.
June 26, 2022 at 02:39
That a statement is about a mind isn’t that it’s truth depends on someone knowing it to be true. This is where there appears to be some equivocation. ...
June 26, 2022 at 02:34
I don’t think that truth depends on the existence of some corresponding entity. Claims about the future can be true even if the future doesn’t exist. ...
June 26, 2022 at 02:24