But the point was, I was asking you for an explanation of how we arrive at the position of bodily continuity, and your response was to basically asser...
"As best as my knowledge goes" is critical here. IANA expert on human biology (well a bit of neuroscience, but that's not so useful here). So we shoul...
It wasn't meant to be a quote; quoting someone is *one* use of scare quotes. But yes since some of those words were used by you, I acknowledge it wasn...
It's not though. Proponents of psychological continuity take the opposite line. e.g. Here's an article that from beginning to end implicitly assumes t...
Firstly, prisons are a special case as: 1) We're talking about a population that has in many cases carried out violence towards women. Yes, a person c...
There are far more than 8 times the number of ciswomen versus transwomen though. And if the number of transwomen killed is very low in Europe (as oppo...
No. I don't know what you mean by "define it to always be true". As I've alluded several times at this point, there are at least 3 positions we can ta...
No; numerically the same person. This might be the reason for the confusion here. You seem to be interpreting "bodily continuity" as meaning something...
False. You're reading the stat wrong. What the stat said, was that among the prison population, of the crimes that people had been convicted of, that ...
Once again: you're shifting to a different situation asking a different, qualitative, question. For people that believe in bodily continuity, for exam...
? This guy gets it This is absolutely key to what I am saying with the imperfect transporter. Partial survival is survival. So, going back to the idea...
Again, I don't claim to know, but it's the strongest position to take right now. Both "bodily continuity" and "psychological continuity" have serious ...
Not at all. I make no claim about how persistence works under psychological continuity, the whole argument is against it working as an explanation. So...
You're right that we need to separate out these two concepts. So firstly, I guess you are accepting that trans are more likely to be victims of crime,...
I am putting the point to hypericin, because it's an argument against psychological continuity. Perhaps put your point to him? Apart from that, it see...
You are just trying to rationalize why you feel uncomfortable. Firstly, who cares, but secondly, this concedes the point. I don't like the mannerisms ...
(emphasis added) This is the critical point right here. I am exactly talking about that line, except I am talking about persistence of the self, not "...
If you're asking me qualitatively, sure I can list off things like my personality, my memories etc. In the context of this discussion on continuity of...
Your reasons all boil down to you just finding her appearance "uncanny" to use your word. Yes, that is just you not liking the appearance of a transpe...
It's always a desperate debating tactic to rely on telling other people what they believe. And I even pointed out in the OP that people on both sides ...
It's as clear an answer as I can give: I don't know, but the best supported theory of consciousness right now is that there is no such thing as contin...
Sure, I can give my opinion on that: I don't claim to know; the information is insufficient right now. But, based on what *is* known right now, it see...
You raise interesting points, Dawnstorm. I think it's worth remembering though that this isn't really a feasible technology, so we never really need t...
But your position seems to be that psychological continuity is key, right? So in your view, is that person still alive? And again for clarity: I can a...
OK, so you are retracting the point about memory being the critical thing. That's fine. I understand what you're saying: it's bodily continuity. What ...
No; you're either alive or dead, and, if you're alive, we can talk about the level of consciousness that you're enjoying. ISTM that there are two diff...
Again, this is talking about the distinction that I have explicitly said is not the focus of the imperfect transporter. Let's start from this: you acc...
Somewhat addressing...I think you're still not quite there, but I've also thought of another way to cover this: In the original, vanilla, transporter ...
I don't know what to do with this thread. This thread is meant to be about a variation of the transporter problem, but I just seem to be having to exp...
But that's what I've been saying. Note that this is what is meant by the term numerical identity versus qualitative identity. I have clarified over an...
But this is not addressing the point I'm making. The point I am making is: there's a difference between a poorly-judged advert, or picking a bad figur...
I had a read through the paper. The proofs of God are of course well-known by now, and not convincing at all IMO. We can go through them each individu...
By "I" we are referring to an instance of consciousness. Otherwise we could just use normal grammar e.g. there are two people. If you're saying that t...
But when I said that memories are irrelevant to determining whether something is the same instance of consciousness, you disagreed with me. And now yo...
Again: I use AI tools multiple times every day. I think they're great. They just aren't appropriate for discussion forums yet. If they could give shor...
Well it's a gun that's right now configured to misfire because using the vanilla AI gives responses that don't fit well in discussion forums. I guess ...
I want to add too that I am not piling on to the OP. It was a fine point to raise. I actually made the same point myself, on a forum oriented towards ...
I use AI tools many times a day. I also think there may well be a time where AI could usefully contribute to general discussion threads, either as a c...
No, I mean you conceded the words before that: that "I" refers to the individual subject of conscious experiences, in conflict with when you earlier c...
The problem is firstly, you brought up the concept of multiple "I"s and now you're conceding that "I" refers to an individual because there is not a s...
No-one said it was. I don't follow the point you're making. If you're asking my opinion specifically on memories, no, I don't consider memories to be ...
I already did, in my second to last post. But I'll try a rephrasing specifically within the "calculating what I'll do" framing: The three positions ar...
Because the pronoun "I" refers to this instance of consciousness. In the stick a pin example, I might say "I am in pain". What would two "I"s mean? No...
I was describing the three positions on continuity of consciousness and I don't see what is gained by pre-emptively taking one off the table. If you w...
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