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Désolé je ne comprends pas.
March 05, 2019 at 22:17
This is not true. The ratios between successive pairs of numbers in the sequences; 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34 2, 2, 4, 6, 10, 16, 26, 42, 68 3, 3, 6...
March 05, 2019 at 22:07
A potential decipherability is still a decipherability and indicates the presence of meaning to be deciphered, so it is not a case of reification. It ...
March 05, 2019 at 21:45
Yes, I haven't said intelligence is not required for the existence of meaning; it is in the sense that intentional meaning is always the product of in...
March 05, 2019 at 21:34
There is a "material difference" between the two texts: and that difference is the way they were created. It doesn't matter whether we can tell the di...
March 05, 2019 at 21:23
Yes but that is off-topic, or it is an off topic. :joke:
March 05, 2019 at 06:56
Yes, I also tend to think that the materialism/idealism dichotomy is wrong-headed.
March 05, 2019 at 05:44
It would have no meaning unless someone who spoke the language the sonnet was written in viewed it. Then intentional meaning would probably be (incorr...
March 05, 2019 at 05:34
If the universe exists without conscious minds inhabiting it, then of course it must embody meaningful information. Which would just mean that there i...
March 05, 2019 at 05:31
It means that whether or not a text has meaning, that is whether it consists in intentionally produced patterns or not, does not depend on whether we ...
March 05, 2019 at 05:26
Holy fuck! Are you an idiot, or over-tired, or are you just being deliberately annoying?
March 05, 2019 at 05:17
That's true and that has already been covered by the notion of "accidental" (as opposed to intentional) meaning. Of course we can impute meaning where...
March 05, 2019 at 05:16
The pattern embodies the meaning. If there were no pattern there would be no meaning and nothing to decipher. This is even true of natural marks that ...
March 05, 2019 at 05:12
Fuck, man, are you intentionally trying to be annoying? How many times do I have to say that the meaning of a text is not dependent on whether or not ...
March 05, 2019 at 05:10
If you had been paying attention you would know that I do have such a criterion. Meaning consists in intentionally produced patterns.
March 05, 2019 at 05:07
It might or might not be possible to decipher the text in the future even if it is impossible now. You are either confusing yourself, or deliberately ...
March 05, 2019 at 05:01
It is a fact that it might be, at some time if not now, possible to decipher its meaning. It is also a fact that it might not ever be possible. There ...
March 05, 2019 at 04:46
Yes, well it drew out the distinction between intentional and accidental meaning, I guess. That raises another interesting question! I think the scrip...
March 05, 2019 at 04:27
It's an interesting thought experiment. I don't believe such a thing could actually happen, but if it did, for sure we would not be able to tell the d...
March 05, 2019 at 03:21
On the fact that it might be possible to decipher its meaning. If there were no meaning their to be deciphered then, of course, it would be meaningles...
March 05, 2019 at 03:14
Yes, but the existence of your interest or ability to decipher meaning says nothing about the existence of meaning itself; it only speaks to your inte...
March 05, 2019 at 03:08
The logical possibility of some kind of 'million monkey's' scenario, however unlikely, or even physically impossible such a thing might be, presents a...
March 05, 2019 at 03:05
I don't agree with this. Forgetting about noumena now (so as not to muddy the waters unnecessarily) if you found an ancient manuscript with what appea...
March 05, 2019 at 02:36
Naturally occurring patterns will usually be visual, whereas mathematical series are conceptual. Does that mean they are different? A part of a Fibonn...
March 05, 2019 at 02:20
If noumena can be talked about then they must have something to do with meaning. Did you mean to say instead that they cannot be talked about? I would...
March 05, 2019 at 01:05
Yes, and it is literally non-sense, 'phenomena' pertains to what is of the senses, and 'noumena' pertains to what is not.
March 05, 2019 at 00:56
I agree, but I understand the Kantian distinction as saying exactly that; the only thing that can be known (said) about noumena is that you cannot kno...
March 05, 2019 at 00:22
Yes, from a commonsense perspective that is true.
March 04, 2019 at 23:38
Of course, we could never know, so, for us, only the logically impossible can be definitely impossible. But it is logically possible that there are ab...
March 04, 2019 at 23:37
I tend to think of the Kantian insight as being not merely a language game, but as stemming from the realization that, although we can think of the in...
March 04, 2019 at 23:27
Of course it is logically possible that the water may flow upwards, and it may even be physically possible; but it may also not be physically possible...
March 04, 2019 at 23:21
There are some natural occurring instances of the pattern. The mathematical Fibonacci series are intentionally produced.
March 04, 2019 at 23:10
That's an interesting question. I guess it depends on what is physically possible. Is it physically possible for any vessel to travel at light-speed? ...
March 04, 2019 at 22:42
What you say seems to make good sense to me. It is verging on introducing the idea of the impossibility of saying anything about the noumenal. And tha...
March 04, 2019 at 22:18
What do you mean by "Fibonacci sequence"? Do you refer to natural phenomena such as the whorls of seeds on the face of a sunflower, or a written serie...
March 04, 2019 at 22:04
The biggest danger for humanity and the species being brought to endangerment and extinction by us seems to lie in the idea that the natural world is ...
March 04, 2019 at 21:53
The meaning is embodied in the repeating patterns of the text. That's what makes it possible to decipher the meaning of the text. The question "How do...
March 04, 2019 at 21:41
The meaningfulness and the meaning of intentionally produced marks (heiroglyphics) is embodied in the marks themselves. It is the semiotically meaning...
March 04, 2019 at 07:12
It was just as "charming and insightful" as the misguided and tendentious text it was responding to warranted. Try to say something DIFFERENT, RELEVAN...
March 04, 2019 at 00:37
How many times do I have to repeat the point? Intentionally produced patterns are not the same as naturally occurring patterns; the former are semanti...
March 04, 2019 at 00:29
Yeah, blahdy-fuckin'-blah...
March 04, 2019 at 00:05
Exactly! When scholars attempt to decipher ancient texts, they examine patterns of repeating symbols or heiroglyphics to discover clues to their meani...
March 03, 2019 at 22:52
I agree, but I don't see any relevance to the point at issue in the rest of what you say there.
March 03, 2019 at 22:01
I would have thought the two go hand in hand. It would seem you can't seriously cut CO2 emissions without seriously slowing the growth rate, and you p...
March 03, 2019 at 06:59
My immediate thoughts are that even if it were highly plausible that societal collapse is imminent (and I'm not saying it is or it isn't, since I don'...
March 03, 2019 at 06:11
I think the question is relevant. It's not a matter of whether we can know (in the sense of have absolute certainty) that we have deciphered an ancien...
March 02, 2019 at 23:43
No, not matter: substance.
March 02, 2019 at 23:03
Come on, don't be obtuse; the empirical evidence is that we can and do decipher ancient texts. What do you think would happen of we tried to decipher ...
March 02, 2019 at 09:35
The empirical evidence is that we can decipher ancient texts and tablets etc that have been discovered after being hidden for millennia. If they consi...
March 02, 2019 at 01:56
You're right and in saying that the text is nothing but "some marks on some paper",Terrapin is emitting (figurative) turds form his (figurative) mouth...
March 01, 2019 at 23:48