Factually incorrect as defined here. You can be a trans sexual and decide to follow the gender of your natal sex. You can be be a trans gender and dec...
No, this entire conversation has been referring to trans gender individuals. Whether they are also trans sexual or not is irrelevant to the discussion...
I have. I'm not going to repeat myself unnecessarily. No, physical characteristics are not involved. That would indicate a trans sexual who is attempt...
No, choosing to note the difference between biology and gender is a clear clarification of the term so that the user resolves the ambiguity between se...
This is word play to avoid answering the question. There can be ambiguity over polysemous words used in a phrase correct? If the term was NOT Polysemo...
This is an assertion, not an argument. I'm seeing no evidence that this is so. There is always a context, but that context can also be the rules of th...
There is language without conveyed personal or social context, and when that happens we default to the context of the language, such as English. No, I...
You can when language is stated without context. At that point we default to the general rules of English. Just like most people would do if we saw th...
It is not contrary to note that while there can be different interpretations based on context, one context is less likely to be interpreted when intro...
Correct. Also correct. Not quite. Yes, there is an interpretation of 'a trans woman is a woman' that is true. What I note in the OP is that while it m...
It is best not to take the general viewpoints of people who are not in the field or can cite the exact background. Many higher level ideas are capture...
Why don't you sleep on it, come back tomorrow and answer my question? You're not in the correct mindset right now to have a coherent discussion with. ...
Wow. Tripling down on using "Common sense" as a viable argument? I don't know what to say anymore that you haven't screamed to everyone reading your p...
And I noted that its not nearly important as the follow up, which is how people are going to interpret the phrase. So a little logical fallacy of avoi...
There are delusional people who believe this. I've been around online and in trans circles. But what is more relevant is that a person who hears the p...
No, that is a perfectly legitimate and rational interpretation of the phrase in isolation. It is on the speaker to provide clear phrasing. Do you agre...
If you are familiar with gender theory and culture, then you understand the context. But the phrase alone divorced from that culture does not indicate...
To my point here, most people would have no problem understanding that you are used the second women and men here as sex references. Even if this was ...
Correct. My argument was to show that if we are to consider English and the language afforded to us by gender, the phrase "Trans men are men" simply i...
I am providing rational argument for why it is. I am not denying that it could change. I am not denying that we could popularize the word 'woman' as g...
No, I'm asserting that as language is used today, 'woman' unmodified is interpreted to mean a person's sex, not their gender. And as such the phrase '...
I feel I covered that well in the longer post. I note that is how English functions today. While am very ok with you summarizing some of the larger po...
Generally this is because we trust that the restaurant would not allow someone who is not hired by them to act as a waiter. In spy movies they often i...
If gender is simply the expectation of actions from a particular sex, then someone would act in accordance with the expectations of the other sex whil...
Ah, we're taking this to a new place! I think its important to point out that there is personal identity, and social identity. it is also important to...
Agreed. We didn't really go over this. In fact, it hasn't been a part of the conversation at all. How someone identifies themselves is irrelevant. I'm...
No need to do research. You didn't counter the point that if it they were only for men, it was only for one sex, not gender. Its correct and you were ...
I don't think it is, I view it as a rationalist argument. But I would be interested in hearing your response to my points later if you think that's wr...
In my experience Banno, anytime words are used for politics it is a twisting of the intent of language. Language is about the clarity of communication...
Ok, maybe I did a little. You still made me mad when after I called you out on posting preachy straw man crap to my post you doubled down. I expect th...
First, you have to grab one or more people and ask them how they think men and women should act. Once there is an agreement by the group, then you can...
No, the view of the OP is that woman in neutral without modification is most rationally read as "adult human female". "trans" or "cis" woman are adjec...
Sure. Why do I want to listen to someone who's looking for a bone to pick then a decent conversation? And an accurate one. Yes. That's exactly my poin...
Thank you for being genuine in the conversation. So yes, the original separation of bathrooms was by sex. So now we can go to what I think your real q...
That is not addressing the OP. I'm guessing you didn't actually read it. Quote or point out what you're addressing instead of a straw man please. And ...
Janus, if you're unable to come to an argument in good faith, just thank the person for the conversation, agree to disagree, and move on. Your second ...
Of course! It was a good couple of posts and worth response. Please do not fear from my end. I only get confrontational if someone else does first. Fe...
I said, "Bathrooms are divided by sex" You said, "How do you know that?" That is my answer. That is a direct answer to your question unlike your avoid...
No, nor am I. That's not what the topic is about. So far I have not included in any of the discussion that sex or gender has anything to do with feeli...
No, I want you to do better. You're a long term forum goer and I expect a post that addresses the logic of the OP and discussion, not an emotional app...
But it is a complete concept. I'm also not seeing that as a counter to my point that noting that concept is not prejudiced. Can you explain how with w...
This is not a rational argument. This is apologetics. I am not asking for an appeal to a secular religion. I am asking rational questions. How does th...
I might need a more detailed understanding by exclusive. Do you mean that men and women (by sex) are not exclusive of hermaphrodites? Because a hermap...
Ah, its ok. You're just detaching from the expectation of others. When you are a child adults are attempting to guide you to 'success' from their view...
It is not when we have divisions based on sex. I need to declare my sex on my license. I need to declare sex for medical care. We divide sex in all so...
Because sex separation is based on biology. Women's bathrooms do not have urinals. Females have periods that they need to take care of. Heterosexual n...
Because public toilets are separated by sex, not gender. A trans woman by definition can have male genetalia and male hormones. The trans demand is th...
I never said a simple question was insignificant. But simple questions are easier to answer than more complex ones. Part of the difficulty in answerin...
I disagree entirely. Let me be clear, author's are absolutely irrelevant to ideas. The idea is all that matters. If it is rational, clear, and useful,...
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