I have no problem with this. The problem is, if its not government forming through conquest and confiscation, its something else. Mobsters, neighbor, ...
Actually, fair. I did not read to the end, and that is my mistake. Simultaneous causation doesn't make any sense either. If you're going to say someth...
Depends on how the state is formed. That's where elections come in. When the state is held accountable by the people involved, it must consider the pe...
Here's the thing: There is never freedom. If its not the state, its your powerful neighbor. If its not that, its the mob. If its not that, its somethi...
Can something cause its own existence? No. Can something exist and there be no prior causal reason for why it should exist? Yes, and its logically nec...
The point is we should be giving examples of the far left that are different than examples of the far right. The examples you gave were not examples t...
No, you are false. We are talking about the extreme. The extreme left and right use the exact same system of division, controls, and authoritarianism....
The extreme right favors big government, nanny-statism with an emphasis on identity politics, activism, and pro-wealth acquisition for those who alrea...
The state would take care of whatever they deemed the minimal bottom line for equality, but they would not take care of the powerful. This would likel...
No. Both left and right partake in identity politics. I would say the left uses identity to achieve equitable egalitarianism while the right uses iden...
I personally find the categories of left and right to result in lazy tribal thinking. I find it much more helpful if a person examines an idea on its ...
Yes, this is my intention. No, I simply mean that someone can do induction ~> inductive conclusion -> analysis of second induction as a conclusion of ...
Its a nice thought. If that is enough for you to believe in a God, and such belief enhances your life, I don't want to take that away from you. But fo...
That should be clear right? If I'm a mathamatician, will I know what its like to be a baseball player? All of us have different experiences in life. Y...
Thank you. A cautious mind is a careful mind. It is only a logical argument, and not an evidenced argument. Still, the origin of the universe is somet...
In almost any other case, you would be right. The difference here is that its a logical conclusion. Anything was possible is not the argument, its the...
You could use an old story I've heard Christian's use. A person is in their home when a neighbor walks by and tells them them the person in their hous...
Hello Wayfarer, good to hear from you as always! So, the whole point in realizing a first cause is logically necessary, is realizing there is no limit...
Well, there is possibly more than one first cause. A first cause means the first cause in a chain of causality. It is quite possible that first causes...
And even after I asked you to take the argument to the other publicly available topic that I could continue this exact discussion with you on, you ins...
Ok, I've been nice, but you just seem interested in your own topic. As the author, I've informed you that you don't understand the topic. You are not ...
Understood, but my argument counters that. If a first cause is logically necessary, it is not necessary that it be a God, because a first cause is not...
If you believe that, please go here https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/12098/a-first-cause-is-logically-necessary/p1 and point out why the OP t...
I'm the author. No, you don't. I welcome critique, but when the author informs you that you do not understand the argument and you are making false as...
Agreed, but you don't have enough data to assume that non-existence cannot be either. Space is assumed in everything we measure. What you're proposing...
Again, it doesn't matter. If Y is what we're looking at, and its explained by a X, Y is not a first cause. A first cause is when a Y is not explained ...
Then there would need to be a different kind of time kicking THAT off. Then we would need a different... you get it. A first cause needs nothing prior...
Finite or infinite is irrelevant. In the case of an infinite chain of causality (if this is possible) there is still the question of why there is an i...
Yes. The point is that I see no philosophical argument at this time that can argue for God's logical necessity anymore. Feel free to try, but for the ...
Which is fine. But it cannot be concluded via philosophical argument that such a God is logically necessary any more. The OP that I site I prove that ...
Causality doesn't have to result in origin debates. I honestly posted this because I was seeing some people on this board have issues understanding wh...
A God can't be entirely beyond conception, otherwise you couldn't conceive of a God right? If we're referring to the idea that something can exist wit...
No, I don't think so. Mind demonstrating why it is? That's in the other post. This OP assumes a person has accepted the conclusions of the original po...
The inability or difficulty to comprehend reality does not mean reality does not exist. You've easily accepted that a God existed without prior explan...
I never said particles necessarily had creation power. I'm just noting that a first cause can logically be anything. If something is eternal, meaning ...
I don't think that's a question we can answer. And it may not have an answer. It could have been one or several first causes happened at the same time...
But if you believe a God could just happen, then logically, this could happen as well. If you state it can't happen, then you state a God can't just h...
You did not address the point I made. If you want a discussion, or to have your point be taken seriously, address the point I made please. If you don'...
That's not what I proposed, that's what you proposed. I stated if there was some prior causality for God, then something made God. And if you believe ...
I actually don't. Its interesting that virtual particles aligns with the logic, but I made this philosophical argument based on the premises, not on t...
Is there a prior reason for God's existence? Note the word "prior". If there is a prior reason for God's existence, then God is not the first cause of...
Interestingly enough, its not atheism. I'm not denying the possibility that there could be a God. Logically, a God is possible. Of course, logically, ...
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