Philosophim

Its because we cannot measure from within a conscious state. All objective measurements are from "without". We bounce stuff off of things to detect fe...

I disagree. Logic allows you to question your views on the matter and offer a stable reason where bias and subjective opinion may have once been your ...

quote="Bob Ross;814253"]The point is that I don’t. It is not a scientific fact that brains produce consciousness. We may be at an impasse here Bob. I ...

No, my definition of gender is clear, its simply a social construct. Of course that construct can be used for good, evil, power, pleasure, etc. Social...

First, you cut off the rest of the quote which includes identification, and action. Second, your grammar is starting to fail. "is logical conclusion" ...

I don't say that at all. The statement doesn't even make any sense. Please re-read the definition of objective consciousness, subjective consciousness...

Correct. Meaning that if you are observing and identifying, that experience you are having of observing and identifying is your subjective consciousne...

So that is a bit of a different subject. The terms at this time note attraction based on biological sex, but one could invent a word that notes attrac...

Ok, this is better Pantagruel. You left out the next few sentences in the quote, which are important. You need to read more than a few sentences befor...

Pantagruel, you've pulled statements out of context, accused me of misleading, and apparently have not read the OP, or simply lack reading comprehensi...

Mislead is a pretty bold accusation. Please point out where and how I'm misleading the reader if you're going to do so.

I've already clarified that your statement taken out of context was a misread. If you would like to contribute, start from the OP and take the definit...

Yes, you misunderstand. I've expressed in the OP that consciousness is not limited to humans, and have noted that consciousness could exist in plants,...

That's why its a question. I say no based on the reason's given. What do you say?

Which is fine. But this agrees with my point. Gender is subjective. Its your personal viewpoint of what it means to be gay. Objectively, all that it m...

I'm not really arguing for it. Its just what is considered fact at this time. If you want to prove that minds do not come from the brain feel free, bu...

Wise words.

My intention was not to address the hard problem of consciousness. From the argument I've presented, you can see there is no hard problem to address. ...

Your analogy does not match. You can be schizophrenic and you can be gay. These are objective medical identifiers. Now, if I believe that a gay person...

A terrible story Michael. But unless it applies somehow to the OP, I don't see the point in putting it here. Then you agree with me. Gender is a socia...

I wouldn't say its a bad word, its just a misapplied word. Consciousness is at its core, built on the subjective sense of self. When people ask, "What...

quote="Janus;813294"]I would say that subjective consciousness may not be what we naively or intuitively think it is, and that. maybe (I'd have to thi...

I think this is ok. How would you apply this in relation to the OP's point? The point is we cannot know what it experiences. However, I should make so...

Let me clarify. Its not that we cannot start with beliefs. But beliefs must become hypotheses and be tested. Everything has a cause is known, because ...

The problem is you're first attributing that behavior to what a woman does. And yet many women do not act "feminine". Does this mean they aren't women...

Yes, with an addition just to be sure. A subjective consciousness can know its own qualia, no one else can. Activity is not needed for subjective cons...

Great post Joshs! But that is not what gender is. Gender is the expectation that a sex act or express themselves in a particular way. What you are not...

First, I again ask you on your next reply to answer my questions to you. Is it fair that I'm the only one being asked questions in a discussion while ...

I am currently addressing this here https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/14370/subjective-and-objective-consciousness if you want to join in. I d...

Thank you Josh's fantastic contribution. I'm going to link some research on sex differences and behavior in dogs. "Ethological studies also underline ...

They are slightly different. Qualitative experience is the subjective act of observing and identifying. You can act as well, its just not required to ...

Its not ad-hoc at all. There are places that society divides people by sex. In public we do not divide people by sex, at least in America.

I have never said that we pick and choose the features of what counts as male and female. XY and XX for the norm. This is objective and unchanging. Wh...

Everything is biological. You are your brain, and it is biological. The point I'm making is that if we could actually identify sex differences in the ...

Very glad to see you Bob! The reason I bowed out from your thread is I felt my points would deviate too much from your original intent. I felt that yo...

Look, I don't care. Its irrelevant so believe what you want. The point is not that I'm trying to identify another consciousness, its that consciousnes...

Then please make such an argument. Refer back to my original points to you where I formed a logical argument, then asked you to clarify and explain yo...

My entire argument is the entire argument. Please read it.

1. We do not know enough about the brain to determine this. 2. Separations by sex have NEVER involved brain differences. As such, a brain difference s...

You aren't responding to my earlier points and now you want to change to a debate over materialism? I'm not playing this game. If you're not answering...

No, I'm not. I'm saying that expected behavior is gender. If your brain now determines your sex, that means a lesbian could be considered a man becaus...

And yet you just did. Honestly, this is an incredibly unimportant part of the OP. What about the subjective vs objective consciousness?

Yes. The state of wakefulness feels different from the state of sleeping. I'm pretty sure we're having a miscommunication on what "observation" is. Th...

No, that person would be transgender according to the definitions I've provided. Gender is how we expect a sex to act or dress. That's what the brain ...

No because I'm not in a situation where people are separated by having hair and not having hair. We are not talking about the general public. Your gen...

RogueAI, I'll answer your questions if you're serious about replying to mine. First, you already agreed when we started discussing brains. You already...

I still don't understand what you mean in relation to conditionals. Get rid of all the fancy vocabulary. Don't worry about what "some" other people ar...

I don't understand. I just gave an example of a human that is about to be born. Give me an example of what you're thinking and your opinion on it. Don...

True. For example women in general have more grey matter in their brains than men do. But if a man has more grey matter than a few women, does that ma...

I think we're still a little abstract. I like to give a concrete example of any abstract I use so its clear to others. Lets say I'm pregnant and I wan...