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That you interpret as such. I don't.
October 03, 2021 at 17:52
Because a proposition is a statement that is proposed as a fair or accurate representation of some state of affairs. If your computer doesn't understa...
October 03, 2021 at 17:18
Then how can it make a proposition?
October 03, 2021 at 17:13
Your computer knows it...
October 03, 2021 at 17:11
Exactly. .
October 03, 2021 at 14:51
Watch me. ¬p?K¬p
October 03, 2021 at 13:01
To get a more complete view of the problem.
October 03, 2021 at 12:59
I know. I'm extending it to false propositions as well. Sue me.
October 03, 2021 at 12:56
It'd be like unknown knowledge....
October 03, 2021 at 12:04
And you could claim that it's true but it could still be false. Makes no difference anyway. There is no such a thing as an unknown proposition, whethe...
October 03, 2021 at 12:01
A proposition can be false or undecidable.
October 03, 2021 at 11:50
In assuming that this applies only to true propositions. In fact it applies to any proposition, true or not. An unknown proposition is an unproposed p...
October 03, 2021 at 11:42
I have edited the post for clarity. I do agree that we're done with this tangent, in that whether machines can be 'proposers' or not makes no differen...
October 03, 2021 at 10:38
This is your take. Mine is that we have to suppose understanding for there being a proposer. But irrespective of which perspective you take, whether m...
October 03, 2021 at 10:17
If they know it's bunkum, why would they accept it?
October 03, 2021 at 09:56
Well then, that thing is the proposer. If your computer is proposing a proposition, it is the proposer of this proposition. That's only because you li...
October 03, 2021 at 09:42
Why yeah, it doesn't include tarot reading or the position of Saturn in Virgo, if that's what you have in mind.
October 03, 2021 at 08:36
As a gentleman of fortune myself, I prefer kicking them in their private parts.
October 03, 2021 at 08:32
There is no force in the world that can convince you to accept some data that you want to reject. Try and talk to a holocaust denier or a 9/11 truther...
October 03, 2021 at 08:16
Not sure where that leads you. It makes no difference whatsoever to my argument that there is no such thing as an unknown proposition... If computers ...
October 03, 2021 at 07:56
But we mean it, when we do so. A mere recording or mechanical production of a sentence cannot invest meaning in that sentence. And a sentence without ...
October 02, 2021 at 23:17
It's not. It's the core of my argument that by coding in this phrase "is lexically prior to", you created a pattern your computer would follow to comp...
October 02, 2021 at 21:02
Okay, it's definitely an interesting / illuminating example so let us dig a bit. If my sister's doll was not saying "j'ai faim" but instead "This is a...
October 02, 2021 at 16:50
Right. So when my little sister's doll used to say "Maman" and "J'ai faim", it was not just playing a recording? It was actually stating the propositi...
October 02, 2021 at 14:21
In: Realism  — view comment
I think point 1 is easy to deal with: we don't already know reality (or not all of the things we want to know about reality) before we aquire some dat...
October 02, 2021 at 12:59
I figured it out alright: all existing propositions are the ones that are known, one way or another. The ones that have been stated.
October 02, 2021 at 12:36
Indeed, first you define a class of propositions of the type X > Y. This implies the assumption or definition of an ordinal (classified, indexed) set,...
October 02, 2021 at 12:31
The key is to remember that a statement not in existence cannot be true or false. It needs to exist first. i.e. be stated. Then and only then can it b...
October 02, 2021 at 11:47
You did take what was a bunch of dots on paper and you did make a proposition out of it by assigning some meaning to it.
October 02, 2021 at 11:31
No, it does not. An unproposed statement cannot be a proposition; at best it is an unproposition.
October 02, 2021 at 11:07
You think your machine proposed this proposition? But how can it be, when the machine has no clue what it proposes? The machine just organizes ink on ...
October 02, 2021 at 10:16
Right. But if truth can only be propositional, then the Fitch is a non starter. Propositions need to be proposed before they can be true or not true. ...
October 02, 2021 at 09:00
Technically, you don't need to be an American republican to be a cretin (though it helps). All you need is to swallow their lies. You see, you all pro...
October 02, 2021 at 08:48
I’m no MAGA-capped cretin, you got that right.
October 01, 2021 at 23:16
Oh they do: they are the Darwinian heroes who survive because they are fit for survival. Or not... Many of them actually die. But the Covid contrarian...
October 01, 2021 at 19:57
If I name it, I make it propositional. But okay, maybe you are right. Truths are descriptions of some state of affairs, therefore there is not such th...
October 01, 2021 at 19:35
Nope. The procedure only makes sense if truth can only be expressed in words. It's begging the question. You haven't been able to make yours either. O...
October 01, 2021 at 18:43
Would that make any sense though? If truth must be in the form of a proposition, then there is no unknown truth because there's no such thing as a rea...
October 01, 2021 at 17:37
You own this one, this naïve profession of faith in the motives of a whole bunch of people you know nothing about.
October 01, 2021 at 17:33
And yet you stated:
October 01, 2021 at 17:29
Oh I'm sure none of them ever lied, nor did you, ever.... My money is on a very different idea than yours: a good number of COVID contratians are of t...
October 01, 2021 at 17:18
https://www.worldpressphoto.org/getmedia/c432e58e-933e-4e97-80e4-882ea6d9f3cc/World-Press-Photo-of-the-Year-Nominee_Ivor-Prickett_for-The-New-York-Tim...
October 01, 2021 at 15:44
You're welcome not to answer my questions but I will keep asking them, if you don't mind too much. So you've spoken to many of them antivaxxers and, a...
October 01, 2021 at 13:37
By showing it.
October 01, 2021 at 13:03
A picture could carry some truth for instance.
October 01, 2021 at 12:24
A truth is not necessarily a proposition. If truth exists out there in the wild (if truth is out there), it may not be phrased in the form of neat Eng...
October 01, 2021 at 11:33
These questions remained unanswered BTW:
October 01, 2021 at 09:08
Anyone can question the motive of anyone else but it takes a huge sense of entitlement and some intellectual laziness to ask me to question my own mot...
October 01, 2021 at 08:47
"You're another". Now that's a new one!
October 01, 2021 at 07:21
Such expressions of gloom are great precisely because they make one feel superior to the unwashed, 'non-intellectual' masses.
October 01, 2021 at 07:08