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I am not speculating. Your obsession about pharma is evidently clouding your judgement and making you agitated and irrational. Don't blame the messeng...

You should not take it as an accusation, I'm rather trying to alert you about it. Your mind is not totally gone yet I think. You can still pull it tog...

Well, so sorry I didn't manage to convince you then.

Paranoids are very hard to convince of their own paranoia, as you must know. In fact it is most of times impossible to do so.

My point is rather that when you see some 'scientist' doubting climate change, remember that he could well be entirely paid for by some fossil fuel gr...

That is not true. You genuinely could not understand at first the very simple idea of rewarding pharmaceuticals for their good work on vaccines. And t...

So if someone wants to con you a few grands, you're okay with that because he defends his interests?

No, that's another issue. My question is: why did the idea seem so counterintuitive to you at first? Why did you initially (and during many posts) rej...

Rather, it should be discarded as such.

Or you poor snowflake. You wanted to share your worst fears and darkest antisocial pessimism in the midst of a crisis, and people called you a coward ...

Disinformation by the fossil fuel industry.

So what was so hard to understand then? What were all these "WTF" and other expressions of disbelief for, in the past dozen posts since I introduced t...

Yeah? You think they did all this disinformation because it was not working?

A minor disagreement, when you think of it.

If we make use of their vaccines, we have to pay them for it, thus rewarding the good work done and incentivizing the future production of safe and ef...

Si you got your two shots, huh? Any plan for a booster?

I am saying that not using an effective vaccine would be irrational, counterproductive and perverse both in long term and short term.

Well, I didn't exactly say that. To be fair I said that this was a pragmatic, balanced, time-honored and generally effective strategy. I didn't say th...

Yes. Good summary. Since the vaccines are effective, it is in our short-term interest to buy them anyway. Long-term, it incentivizes pharmaceutical to...

Because the carrot and stick strategy is balanced, effective and just, while using only the stick is imbalanced and has perverse effects. Your incapac...

I never said any such thing. I said they should be rewarded for doing the right thing. There's an important difference between doing the right thing a...

Nope.

Let me take an example that an ex-behaviorist can understand. Imagine you have a donkey -- let's call it Buridan -- and Buridan doesn't want to move w...

When they do the right thing, yes. Carrot and stick.

Nope, you encourage them to do the right thing.

Just to be clear, a non-absolutist (ie relativist) and non-essentialist (ie pragmatic, result-oriented) view of dishonest behaviors within pharmaceuti...

Because of its essentialist and absolutist angles. In reality, nobody is perfect. We are all sinners. That company X or Y has done something in the pa...

You could have asked that question to @"Wayfarer" who called it "unbearably sinister". That's better phrased than "creepy and paranoid" but the meanin...

It's creepy and paranoid alright.

The way I see it, the two are linked. If you are well in your rights to share widely your general distrust of pharmaceuticals and politicians, then yo...

My point is that some of this disagreement is artificial, manufactured. Someone said jokingly upthread that "it would be a nightmare if we all always ...

Tell you what. If I've said anything unfair about you, then I'll be happy to correct it, but you do need to actually cite it in order for me to do tha...

It's a fact, though. The post truth business.

Because these debates have been politicized by the likes of Trump, FAUX News and co. So people now see vaccination or climate change as political issu...

I have been the one pointing out at such fake disagreement promoted here by people like you, as in this post you were quoting. So you're vaccinated ag...

I am not reposting your disgusting, creepy paranoid shit about the pharmaceutical industry, thank you very much. And you started this mud sliding agai...

And this was because of an active campaign of disinformation, mainly targeted at the US, and paid for by big fossil fuel interest. Their messages were...

Yes. I mean, realistically, this shit is going to hit the fan. We've waited for too long now. It's already hitting it, in slow volumes so to speak. My...

We can also see the positive impact of halting part of the economy on GG emissions and natural habitats. It gave nature a break. And perhaps that is p...

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That's fair. The main problem causing CC is not population growth, as I see it, but the emission of massive amounts of greenhouse gazes by developed c...

That makes no sense. Most GG gas emissions are from China, the US and Europe that have already went through their demographic transition. Those rich n...

Because it stands to reason, I believe. There's no reason to assume as you do that future research findings will save us from an increasingly aggressi...

Did I start it, really? I recall that you accused untold numbers of non-descript people of being criminals and profiteers, among the many many insults...

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Yes to that.

This is so reassuring! Not. Past a certain level of climatic stress, there will be a collapse of society in many places, and research will collapse to...

Politically, it will probably not be viable before a long time, although I wish to think frugality as a way of life is making progress in 'western' cu...

I don't want to make too big a fuss about it, given that you and I agree on what to do next, by and large. So we agree on what's important. The rest, ...