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Mikie

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Imagine arguing that the species go extinct because life involves suffering. I agree with Nietzsche: kind of pathetic. Let them to it!
July 15, 2022 at 14:17
:smile: Yeah, best leave the professor to his highly logical and super-complicated arguments. A very stable genius.
July 15, 2022 at 04:12
Yes, because you’ve definitely shown yourself to be professorial. “Self evident.” Anyway— Nice try at dolling up your feelings that life is a mistake.
July 15, 2022 at 04:10
Yeah it was clear last year that Manchin was aiming for nothing whatsoever. I imagine nothing passes this time too. And there goes the next 10+ more y...
July 15, 2022 at 03:55
I think they deserve the power of invisibility myself. That life doesn’t provide them that is completely unjust, in my view— hence I won’t have kids. ...
July 15, 2022 at 03:50
Not even that interesting; rather boring, actually. Listening to people come up with elaborate, circuitous ways to justify their interpretation of lif...
July 15, 2022 at 03:45
Ok— so there goes your argument. A baby doesn’t deserve or not deserve anything either. Deserve in this context is meaningless. That you don’t want to...
July 15, 2022 at 03:41
:lol: A corporate statist defending the Great One. How shocking.
July 15, 2022 at 00:34
The more I think about it, the more this entire thread looks like a giant expression of resentment towards one’s parents because life didn’t turn out ...
July 15, 2022 at 00:25
It’s self evident that if a person has done nothing, they deserve the chance to live. I guess that settles it. Self evidence. Yet several people — inc...
July 15, 2022 at 00:21
Early on there were many hypotheses — natural cycles, water vapor, and a host of others. These hypotheses have been abandoned. Also the predictions ma...
July 14, 2022 at 22:35
Just as this statement ignores the fact that the notion “subject” is equally silly.
July 14, 2022 at 19:34
Well you’re not alone! :smile: I recommend Heidegger’s Introduction to Metaphysics for an analysis of this question. Fascinating, in my view.
July 14, 2022 at 19:29
I’m not “fighting” anyone. If someone presents an argument, I’m interested in understanding it. This one happens to be unconvincing — and probably not...
July 14, 2022 at 19:25
Biodiversity collapse is exacerbated by climate change, as you know. Whether it occurs without a rapidly changing climate -- probably, but certainly n...
July 14, 2022 at 18:37
People live happy lives all the time, despite there being harm. So this statement is ridiculous. True, they won't get "no harm" -- because harm is par...
July 14, 2022 at 17:59
Why do you keep asking people this when, once someone does tell you which is false, you simply declare it to be self-evidently true? The line of your ...
July 14, 2022 at 17:50
The problem is that it's not even an argument, because it's not interested in persuading anyone and doesn't support itself in any way other than "this...
July 14, 2022 at 17:46
Definitely. Yes, and beyond that take it as part of their identity. Many people -- myself included at times -- want to take a generally good principle...
July 14, 2022 at 17:35
I don't accept subjectivism, nor that the Nazi's did no wrong. They're ethical issues and metaethical issues, sure. If you don't want to defend your a...
July 14, 2022 at 17:27
Sure. Here's a brief overview I wrote not long ago: In explaining climate change, for people who are truly interested in learning about it, I always l...
July 14, 2022 at 16:21
Yes. Lots. Climate isn’t weather. If you’re truly curious, there’s thousands of options to study it and mountains of evidence.
July 14, 2022 at 02:52
Apologies. I’m trying to engage mostly with the OP. I view your argument as a separate one. Although interesting, I haven’t had the time to give a car...
July 13, 2022 at 22:26
Ok. But who decides what's deserved? That doesn't fall from the sky, I assume. It's not God-given. So who decides? Who decides what is deserved? You? ...
July 13, 2022 at 21:02
An interesting way to put it. While I agree with it, I would further argue that they don't deserve anything -- beyond what human beings think they des...
July 13, 2022 at 20:51
It's a belief, whether you call it an assertion or conclusion. That life should be harm-free is a belief. I see no evidence to support that belief one...
July 12, 2022 at 18:09
OK. But how is this relevant to life? No one says "I'll have one life, please" -- and then, because there's suffering in it, is indignant. They don't ...
July 12, 2022 at 17:32
Humor me and answer it anyway. What do you think? Is life worth living or not? If so, why? And why deprive others of this worthy experience? Why make ...
July 12, 2022 at 17:14
Yes it does. If it’s worth living — meaning it is, on the whole, a good — then it’s (in general) worth having kids. Despite the fact that it doesn’t h...
July 12, 2022 at 17:05
Again this is worth repeating— and was ignored:
July 12, 2022 at 04:46
In that specific case, no. I don't think it's a great analogy though. Why? Because we're talking about something much bigger -- we're talking about li...
July 12, 2022 at 03:10
Says you. But think about it for a minute. NO harm? What does that mean? Is that possible? No. So, again, in essence you're saying: there should be no...
July 12, 2022 at 01:49
Well what of happy lives that are NOT harm-free (like, I would argue, my own)? In other words, what if an innocent person -- a baby -- deserves to liv...
July 12, 2022 at 01:35
I'm not arguing it's false. It's a personal choice. Just like saying "There is suffering, so life is refuted" is a choice. It's a perspective. Is it "...
July 12, 2022 at 01:22
Well I don't fault my parents for having me, either. I guess that's more relevant. In fact I owe them a debt of gratitude for bringing me into this wo...
July 12, 2022 at 01:18
OK, sure. But most babies are born crying out of the womb. It's not the most pleasant process. So right away there's harm -- in fact a traumatic exper...
July 12, 2022 at 01:04
That one shouldn't be born because life isn't harm-free. You posted this with the title "A New Argument for Antinatalism." I assumed that you want to ...
July 12, 2022 at 00:52
It's not irrelevant. You're making an argument that innocent people don't deserve harm. Fine. We're all born innocent. So, according to you, none of u...
July 12, 2022 at 00:46
I didn't make that argument, nor did I say you made that argument. I'll quote myself: This is addressing your argument. All people (including me, as m...
July 12, 2022 at 00:37
I was born innocent too. There have been many harms in my life — like with any life. But I love life and continue to prefer being here to the alternat...
July 11, 2022 at 20:58
Actually it does, yes, since reducing everything to computers — including the human mind— and the human being to a machine is a pretty good characteri...
July 10, 2022 at 03:09
If the answer is obvious, you’re already wrong.
July 09, 2022 at 15:21
I have to say that I was never much impressed with the Tractatus. The very first proposition, that the “world is everything that is the case” is fine,...
July 09, 2022 at 14:42
I think we all agree as human beings, with few exceptions, that it would be nice if the species survived and that our kids and grandkids had a habitab...
July 08, 2022 at 22:45
Interesting. There's a lot of things going on technologically that is hopeful. The question -- as always -- is whether we get there in time, and just ...
July 08, 2022 at 22:24
I was just reading about him on Wikipedia. Oddly, recently died on the 4th (perhaps that’s why you mentioned him?). Anyway — I like some of what the a...
July 07, 2022 at 02:45
I think there’s something to that, yes. I don’t know who Bernstein is, but I bet he read Heidegger.
July 07, 2022 at 02:28
A lot of Cartesian dualism here— mind/body, subject/object, mental/physical, inside/outside. Perhaps these categories too are simply part of human tho...
July 06, 2022 at 23:50
It exists in the human mind, and the human mind is fundamentally temporal — in that things are constantly changing. So while numbers and classes and m...
July 06, 2022 at 23:27
What kind of pollution? I was talking about climate change. Greenhouse gases don’t stay within borders, as you know. Honestly I think you and your fam...
July 06, 2022 at 19:14