It's a regional power for sure and I've never claimed Israel to be anything more than that militarily. It's not anywhere close as strong as the US, Ch...
Maybe that was true in its past when Israel was beginning, but today Israel has quite a few partnerships with several big powers and it's not out of a...
I don't expect the world to be sympathetic to Israel. There's almost 2 billion Muslims and only 15 million Jews. 50 Muslim majority nations and 1 Jewi...
This isn't about me, this is about the Jewish people. The Jewish people have the Torah, countless prayers, numerous holidays which have been celebrate...
I would never claim that the Palestinians are irrational or illogical for wanting what they want. I would also not say that they "don't have the manda...
It would only be dishonest if I committed myself to the position that I know everything about Israeli history and law and there is 100% no racial prob...
Hey Benkei, I found an online article with the title "30 reasons why Israel is awesome." I'd like a response to all of them... maybe by the end of the...
Alright we can try our best here. I'm not saying that moral judgement is impossible in this area, only that it's more difficult and needs to be consid...
We need to draw a distinction here between the proper actions and policies of a state and abstract moral judgments. When it comes to political discuss...
You cite 10 different detailed claims which is just too much for me to respond to. It's information overload and I don't have the time or effort to re...
I think most would agree that the conditions under which Israel attained statehood were far from ideal. I heard that part of the reason the process wa...
If RoR is a human right then Israel has a right to Gaza and the West Bank because that's what the original Hebrew kingdom encompassed before they were...
Alright, I'll respond to this analogy. I ignored it at first because it's a little vague so I'll attempt to clarify. If we were both US citizens I wou...
If our tribes were at war and I was launching missiles from my home or a school don't you think that puts you in kind of a tough spot when it comes to...
Hamas asked for '67 borders + right of return. '67 borders by themselves are a reasonable request, but any mention of right of return is not. RoR = en...
The data is a little old and was taken not too long after the second intifata but I'll let it slide. In any case, I can play this game as well -- and ...
You frequently throw dozens of potential issues out there for me to address and it's just not worth it for me. When I address one you just move onto s...
Alright fair enough - I think we could do both though. It can be sometimes difficult to apply a moral lens to this sort of low intensity warfare & act...
From a legal standpoint, one is an Israeli citizen entitled to Israeli legal rights and the other is not. The Israeli Arabs were just the ones who sta...
Well what grounds the justification for other types of states, e.g. non-religious ones? I guess I would say, ultimately, security. In the case of Isra...
Which war crime do you want to talk about in particular? I have nothing against condemning war crimes when they actually occurred: Deir Yassin, for in...
I think most Palestinians actually fled in '48 and for good reason - they thought the Arab countries were about to make a graveyard out of the place. ...
So when's the cut off year? Maybe year 1500? That sounds like a good number. In any case, I'm not expecting you to care. It's a purely religious-cultu...
I don't expect you to give a shit about it because it's not your people. The issue just begins for you, suddenly, in 1947 or so (or even '67 for some!...
You're tell me that many disagree that the question of a Jewish homeland is complicated and long lasting? Maybe many Europeans who have no personal or...
Alright, so lets let the "impartial" observers handle it then. And who would those be? Americans? Europeans? Which ones? Do Indians have a say? How ab...
I'm not interested in defending the definition; only in bringing it up as one definition that's been floating around. I think the more interesting que...
It might help to define racism first. In the US a fairly common definition you'll see is simply power + prejudism = racism. So if you're a white perso...
I agree, but those who disagree will simply define the term differently. These talks are difficult to have because definitions have changed so much ov...
Hey Tobias, if a gunman told to choose between saving your mother's life or the life of a complete stranger, would you pretend to be an impartial obse...
Yes, it is quite something. However, there are plenty of backgrounds to which a Jewish homeland in modern day Israel likely sounds quite innocuous - a...
Any nation has the right to sanction other governments that threaten it or wish it harm or fund terrorism. We do the same with Iran, and I don't hate ...
I've never said Palestinians are "guilty by association." This just isn't my position so I'm not going to respond in more detail. I don't have anythin...
Ok but civilians aren't perpetrators. 180 refuses to condemn any method used by the oppressed class to gain equality so he turns a blind eye to civili...
"Fantasy imaginarium" is a productive and useful exercise because it allows us to flush out ideas and rules and apply them to a variety of circumstanc...
:rofl: I was offended before because I thought you were only applying your perspective here to Israel, but now that I see you'd throw your own family ...
You'd condone white folks murdering black folks in a black-dominated society? Holy shit you actually bit the bullet on this one. You're telling me tha...
If they were underdogs would you support them? Maybe they pick a few random blacks to murder for no reason, but don't sweat it it's just David's sling...
Sure they'd have been behind the Palestinans but Israel would have made peace with them in a second and simply withdrew. It's not that easy with Hamas...
Earlier you asked for a source here it is: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel#1993 Over 1362 ki...
Ok that makes sense. I can see why people draw parallels between the IRA and the Palestinians and I know the Irish have been doing this for years, but...
Yeah that was from the misreading. I thought you were saying the Zionist perspective is invalid and once you go there you're in heavily anti-israel te...
Sorry I misread. I've talked about ethics multiple times. You just don't like my position. Did you ever respond to this point I made? I have talked ab...
I am a Zionist and I was raised in a Zionist family and you don't get to tell me that my voice isn't valid. I don't think you understand Zionism. All ...
That's not what I'm saying and I've had great, productive convos with several other posters here. And no, I'm not just here to "rah rah" for Israel. I...
My one sided description of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? I've never pretended to be a neutral bystander. I'm an American Jew with family in Israe...
I'm glad to hear that; try to be a little more sensitive with your language next time and don't accuse people of talking about "cartoon terrorists" wh...
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