Yes, it does. But the point of an argument, typically speaking, is to show that some intuitive premises lead to a position contrary to the defender's ...
Well, what does it mean for the "ethical concerns" to "lie with" individuals? Assuming you are not begging the question by saying our ethical concerns...
And i will accept this conclusion that is prima facie counter-intuitive. What is wrong with it? It was a weaker form of my view that negative ethics e...
Well, you could just phone me and say "There is a sale going on over a house you would definitely like and time is running out, i will send you the de...
Well, since i agree that negative ethics entails procreation being immoral unless Earth is devoid of any suffering whatsoever, i will ask a question: ...
Well, the discussion was not about that, but if you really want to criticize my position, please do it without assuming that ethics should be based on...
Premise A: For every situtation, the principle applies to that situtation if and only if the person affected is fully autonomous (or is autonomous eno...
But, assuming that you have the power to "prevent" people, by not doing it, you let the 15 billion people come into the world and have their consent v...
The topic was about whetever negative ethics on it's own entails we ought to kill all life or not. So, my scenario was obviously about that-i do not k...
Well, the weight of the argument comes not from the Modus Tollens, but rather by first establishing the foundations of the premises. Without any such ...
Well, what about the will-be automomous individuals that won't be born yet? Are those "autonomous individuals" so important that the suffering that th...
Well, i was just trying to show that this has unwanted results (both negative ethics and the non-aggression principle). It just leads to more sufferin...
I believe that you should talk more about your assumption that god would not allow any imperfections. What is to be understood by this sentence and wh...
Well, is preventing desires and wills really a bad thing compared to letting suffering go on? The problem is, these desires and wills lead to more suf...
Not really, as my only two claims were that 1) Suffering and happiness work for those things and 2) Because the nature of these are similar, there is ...
Apart from the unnecessary word -"violation", which has negative connations and can just be replaced by something like "trade off"-, this is exactly w...
What exactly does that mean? Can you elaborate? Are you saying that happiness is a temporary escape from the pain, stress etc. that people experience?...
Okay. I think i finally got you: You are advocating that positive things have no intrinsic value-like negative consequentalism. If one adopts this vie...
Since some of the things you and i said in different parts of the same posts are the same, i will only respond to different points (or ones that at le...
If you think of it like a "fuzzy" intent and that the spesific version of the principle we actually use actually applies to this case, then yes. But y...
I said "not persuiasive enough". I can just not accept your version of it since i do not accept your premise about pain. Well, all there has to be is ...
Collateral damage is not persuasive enough, and you need to clarify how it is "excess baggage" and how that means it is bad in this particular situtat...
You are assuming that there is something hidden in the premise that i am implying-that this society is such a society that i describe. Such an assumpt...
Since we have reached kind of a deadlock in regards to the justification for this principle, i will just drop the issue and focus on why procreation m...
Depends. If the question is about applied ethics, it may be that which form of normative ethics you have You merely said that it was obvious. Howewer,...
I will concede you the point that procreation falls under that principle. It is not that important. Going back to the main point, i will ask you again...
I am going to accept all of you said: This is a violation of this principle, we do it in order to "deliver happiness" (my argument would not be that t...
I do not understand this. Is the argument that people experience happiness when alive and it is a good thing, so we should procreate? If so, it is as ...
While the first part is true (albeit both of you are strawmanning each other, you are doing it by taking "delusional" to be something different while ...
Is there any need? You would do that only if you did not know the result. Howewer, God would know the result beforehand given that he knows all true p...
Yes. That is true for any definition that is about a body. And..? All that means is that it is somewhat arbitrary and nobody would dispute that. The q...
Well, it having eggs or sperm makes it female or male as per the definition. If you wany to say that it is "identity", then so be it. (Well, then, any...
Yes, it does. Howewer, it is primitive in the sense that it behaves exactly like animal counterparts. Then, surely, the production of our decisions is...
How? Let us consider these definitions i thought of: "A person is a female if and only if that person has eggs." "A person is a male if and only if th...
I have a question: What exactly is a "sex identity"? Can you please elaborate upon that? Right now, it seems like you're just describing gender and cl...
Yes, but it moving it arms or it making noises is essentially a byproduct of primitive responses. It is like saying we choose to react to cute things ...
Yes, it points to that in some sense. The baby does not have free will, and there is nothing in us that would allow us to have free will either. Now, ...
Okay. So, how does that allow for free will? In that case, we are reducible to events or states in a casual history of events and we have no bearing o...
Yes. But note the "at the same time" part that you have omitted in the first premise, you have said that "A circle is never the same as anything that ...
If a woman has a short hair, they're still seen as a woman. If a woman joins a military, they're still seen as a woman. The only difference would be t...
Wait, are you saying that they have figured, for example,our probability of choosing X in situtation A or that they have figured out that, given certa...
"A circle is never the same as a square." simply means that, at time T, the thing can not be both a circle and a square. But it could be a circle at t...
No, the core part would have been the same-to "be a woman." The difference lies in different cultures having different established social rules on wha...
Is it? For example, a transwoman's belief that she is a woman is not really like a delusional belief: It is an inherent aspect of the person that beli...
That is not formal logic and the none of the consclusions follow. And, to top it all of, (2) is just circular. You might as well just say: 1) If canon...
I would like to see the justification for this. Yes, we would also doubt the data and the evidence for the conspiracy theory, but that assumes that th...
Well, i was more thinking in terms of a person thinking "I prayed everyday that my mother would survive cancer, and she eventually did." Whetever thei...
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