Andrew4Handel

Has a plant ever voluntary walked into your most merely for your pleasure? Nothing has a choice about whether it dies or not because that is inevitabl...

Are you happy for us to post pictures of animals being eaten alive then? Are you happy for us to post images of mass drowning or starvation in nature ...

I said that "crime" is natural and if we were to intervene in it it should be in a non moralistic way. As I have been saying in the thread "How can ac...

I think moral language is goal directed. I think without any innate purpose for life then the moral language is useless. If you have a specific goal o...

I am saying there is a a best or right way to do something if you have a specific goal. Like there is a correct way to bake a cake. I don't tee how th...

Where are you inserting the word "good"? That seems to be an unwarranted value judgement.

You can do anything the right way dependent on what your goal. If you are a serial killer and want to kill as many people as possible then it would be...

I would say that some kind of deity or law giver is the only entity of capable of resolving moral disputes. For example is abortion wrong? Is meat eat...

I think wrongness can only exist when there is a correct way to behave or correct answer. But there appears to be no purpose or innate laws for humans...

I don't think Harm equals Wrong or Bad. And that kind idea was what was being attacked by G.E.Moore with his "Naturalistic Fallacy" (Although he focus...

I was only using the term crime because you brought it up. I have said I am a moral nihilist... so I am only referring to things that have been social...

I am challenging the view of nature you appear to have. Humans are not just relaxing in the sun by a pool lazily feasting away on meat. The context of...

I don't think that the default existence for life is pleasure. It certainly is not for me. If we forget other creatures and just focus on humans there...

To me questions just seem to be created by the process of thinking.

The nature of reality for life on earth is not like this. No one is free really because no one asks to be born and we are it seems forced into existen...

How can you convince someone to not eat meat if you are not concerned with presenting them a valid argument? There may have been very compelling argum...

If you don't intend to eradicate pain then it is somewhat arbitrary what pain your try and eliminate. I don't think goodness is a property but rather ...

This is a very simplistic view of pain. My point was that it is not a bad thing in the sense that it aids survival. The idea of no one experiencing pa...

You missed the bit where I mentioned that pet owners have there ill pets put to sleep. I have had long experience now of being with a seriously ill pe...

I have never heard of Shark week. I have lived in the countryside though. I lived on a small holding that had some sheep. I would say the sheep were e...

The ending of the official slave trade is not proof that a moral argument is valid. After slavery we had two world wars, several genocides and the Klu...

You are only repeating yourself because you are failing to understand my point. Not everything that happens in nature is innate. There are degrees to ...

Pain is essential for survival. People with congenital pain deficit die younger and cause themselves lots of injury. Pain is often in indication of in...

How would you know that the child's suffering mattered if it didn't bother you at all?

I am not committed to a a notion of goodness I am just dismissing the naturalistic fallacy and arguing that nature is a guide to some things. Obviousl...

That is what routinely happens to pets because ill animals cannot talk. Also Doctors often cause the death of a patient by decisions about their medic...

I am not talking about things that are good via nature but things that are innate via nature. For example most animals can kill but I don't think most...

If something happens in nature I don't see how it can be wrong. This is a problem for morality in general. I am certainly not saying what happens in n...

Speaking as a homosexual myself I think that finding homosexuality in nature is a positive thing for people who have faced prejudice and persecution a...

I think that it is arbitrary what you define as natural. I don't think the phrase natural picks out a concrete concept but then I didn't coin the natu...

It is not the case that everything that is natural is good but that things that are good are natural processes. For example if you enjoy being alive t...

I consider natural just to refer to anything that happens in nature as opposed to a supernatural realm that we either have no access to or doesn't exi...

That naturalistic fallacy has been used in relation to homosexuality because people said homosexuality is bad because it is unnatural. But then due to...

How would you know that? To me it is the only explanation for the disproportionate and biased coverage of the conflict. People don't think the Jews sh...

The folly is not to be discussing the whole contentious issue of the validity of nationhood, countries, borders and over population, parental responsi...

We need to differentiate between land and housing. I think everyone deserves a roof over their head. Life involves exploitation of each other and reso...

I don't have to accept an alleged fallacy if I can prove to myself it doesn't make sense. In the literature I have read it is usually accepted that th...

Are you saying these things are not natural? Are you not selecting natural attributes you are assuming are good? I don't think reason and empathy lead...

This is a red herring or straw man or whatever. Where have I said we can kill animals because they are going to die anyway? I have specifically pointe...

They are not discussing is the point I am making. Of course Anti Israel sentiment and Antisemitism are going to be closely linked. I don't think I can...

I rent my house Have you ever heard of an animal other than human owning land? Have you bothered even reading one history book? What a fatuous comment

There is no consensus in the literature and certainly no consensus on Singer. His views are controversial. The fact you were swayed by Peter Singer is...

Personally I don't think anyone has a right to land. Land ownership is just a stance not a metaphysical reality. I think we can only survive through c...

I am a moral nihilist so I don't know the answer to that question. I think it is a good topic though and one I may have raised before. It could be sel...

I was exploring the ways in which animals die because someone used emotive examples of how animals are killed in abattoirs and I am pointing out there...

These kind of points need to be subject to expert scrutiny. Where did the term hunter gatherer derive from and why do ancient cave murals depict hunti...

I am not sure what this means. I have been pointing out that life involves eating life. I am questioning why a human killing an animal for food is the...

I am saying that there is no comparison between torturing an animal for fun and killing it to eat. I am not saying whether one is good or bad. I don't...

Every animal must die. In the wild animals either starve to death are eaten (alive) or die of disease. How do you cope with death in a nature? For exa...

The puzzle I am getting at is that nature has provided a means to get food which requires death and predation, it includes plants who also eat dead or...