Andrew4Handel

. Maybe I should have put the word "deliberately" in my question. What you are talking about is accidental harm. I think accidental harm is a serious ...

There are different types of inaction it seems. Inaction might be classed as immoral in some circumstances, such as not preventing a child from drowni...

A dead person is unable to give consent but that does not justify necrophilia. That is an extreme example but it does not follow that if something can...

Words are not that rigid. A tree probably would not want to be cut down if it was conscious and plants like this appear to strive to exist and flouris...

I have not claimed that creating someone is against their consent. I am saying it is non consensual in nature. Chopping down a tree is non consensual ...

That is what I have been saying all along. You appear to be claiming someone needs to be actively experiencing something for it to matter. In my threa...

I think will power can be in service of inhibition or lack of inhibition. Some religious people or conservatives use their will power to enforce their...

No it really isn't based on how the body responds to being burnt alive. It is unbearable.

It is too late after you have created a person to ask whether or not they wanted to experience life. Your positions seems bogus to me if you claim not...

So some people like being set on fire?

If someone said "Which would you prefer? Growing up in a nice house in the suburbs as a good looking healthy child or growing up with a chronic illnes...

You can talk about the general rule that no human past present or future would like to be set on fire. It is ludicrous to claim you cannot talk hypoth...

How do you know what there preferences were before? Why don't possible preferences get considered? Do you need to consider past preferences to decide ...

Neither can an unconscious person.

This issue is that life is not consensual. If someone cannot consent to being born then they are here in a non consensual manner.

This is not true. You can discuss issues of consent in general and in an abstract way and from the experiences of prior people. If someone sticks ther...

Almost everyone knows someone they think is, or would make, an unfit parent. I cannot imagine anyone endorsing that a paedophile would make a suitable...

I cannot remember what your objection was. I don't see how creating someone does not create consent problems. After a person is created they are capab...

If you live in a world of inequality that is the world you are exposing your child to. So it does not make sense to me to say you oppose inequality ye...

I don't see how you think the fact people did not consent to be born or assent to life and society is trivial? This is not a trivial dynamic between p...

I think you are using the term inhibition in a prejudiced way. I experienced religious indoctrination and those kind of inhibitions and political prop...

Pointing out a lack of consent does not entail an expectation of consent. But once someone starts to exists they can exhibit a will. Just like you can...

The only reason we are aware of some kind of reality is because of personal consciousness and I think that or some other kind of consciousness is wher...

People have said of Christians "If you believe there is a paradise in the after life why don't you kill yourself? What is the point of now?" I sympath...

I am not convinced by the inevitability argument. The problem is that is is not always on our power to enjoy life. I think the optimistic position tha...

For an antinatalist the lack of consent involved in creating a child is a deterrent from doing this. But even if you are not antinatalist acknowledgin...

Concepts are in the mind and motivate or guide our action the world. For example I remember (the past) That there is no milk in my fridge. I plan for ...

But an experience takes place over an amount of time even if it is a short amount of time. It seems obvious to me that things take place within the co...

I think there are numerous ethical problems with having a child that make it ethically indefensible. I think consent is one of the biggest problem. Su...

Things are usually valued over time. I would not like to have continuous bouts of amnesia so that large chunks of my life were missing from my memory....

Some people who commit suicide believe in the afterlife and say they want to die to be reunited with a dead relative or friend. I think suicide is usu...

The pointlessness occurs after life. As an analogy imagine going to the cinema and seeing a thrilling film whilst feasting and buttery popcorn and icy...

This is controversial. The beauty of a perception is subjective. People do not agree on what is beautiful. But nevertheless the characteristics of a p...

My post about the fact I did not consent to my experiences is supposed to illustrate from a first person perspective what is being to someone after th...

I think one of the top three philosophical questions is "Why did you have children". All the other philosophical questions exist only when you make so...

The only questions that need asking are to parents/reproducers who keep perpetuating this. You don't ask an abuse victim how they managed to get abuse...

I don't consider myself weak for pointing out the wrongness of the situation. I consider conformists, the apathetic and people who abandon arguments w...

You said: I was responding to this claim. I pointed out that Submission is in the etymology of the word obedience. Obedience is not just submission bu...

I think irrationality is a bigger problem than life. Rationality might lead to antinatalism however we have not even got to the stage where logic and ...

We are discussing obedience not pragmatism. Pragmatism is not obedience and examples you have been giving are pragmatic or self interested rule follow...

There are numerous examples. Richard Proenneke lived alone In Alaska for nearly thirty years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke Anyone e...

I don't know if following governmental rules is obedience. It could be resignation. I think complying with regulations can be rational, pragmatic and ...

The etymology of obedience is "submission to a higher power or authority," from Old French obedience "obedience, submission" https://www.etymonline.co...

Obedience to parents. Obedience to School teachers. Obedience to the Police. Obedience to legislation. In any dictatorship or theocracy obedience is s...

I am referring to obedience as submission. I think obedience entails submission. I believe what you are talking about is choosing to accept someones r...

I view rationality as a process not a set of axioms or beliefs. I don't think rationality leads to certainty.

Do you mean responsibility in this life or the next? I think people do use obedience to negate personal responsibility.

I think before you create a sophisticated society like this a lot of justification is needed. Otherwise you have what is like a headless bureaucracy d...

There is a difference between someone being an authority on a subject and having authority. Anyone can be given authority with no expertise and I thin...

I think reason and rationality are only values if you tell other people that they ought to be reasonable or rational. Facts, logic, reason and rationa...