Which premise are you disputing? Here's the argument again: Try and focus. Don't think I've said things that I haven't said - no premise mentions fear...
Irrelevant. It would be irrational, would it not, to kill oneself just because one is a bit bored and one's life shows no prospect of being anything o...
I have said nothing about how miserable or not our lives are - clearly, some are happy and some are miserable. The claim 'we have reason to avoid deat...
I addressed the possibility that death is harmful because of what it deprives us of and provided an apparent decisive refutation of it. Death is clear...
Again, which premise are you disputing? You have just said you do think there are reasons to avoid dying - so which premise are you denying? You don't...
Which premise are you disputing? Note, no premise mentions evolution or our beliefs. I take it you are attempting to challenge 1 by arguing that as we...
This thread is about a particular argument for antinatalism, not about antinatalism broadly construed (there are all manner of arguments for antinatal...
No, present an argument - say which claim you dispute and why. Don't do that thing that everyone does, which is to think that if they just 'say' that ...
Again, I refer you to my earlier comment. Comprehension skills: D. Address the argument that leads to that conclusion. Note, that a conclusion describ...
No, you started it. Rather than address the argument, you decided to engage in some cod psychology. Note as well, that accusing procreators of being e...
If our deaths take us to hell - as the evidence powerfully implies - wouldn't that realization prevent many from committing suicide? My claim is about...
You should focus on arguments, not arguers. But I can assure you that I haven't procreated because it is dumb and immoral - so i haven't procreated on...
The argument I made is simple: death is a harm of such gravity that it plausibly outweighs all the goods a life contains. It isn't hard to understand....
The argument I made was not about what we fear. That's a psychological issue, not a philosophical one. Death is clearly more harmful than torture, at ...
I've justified everything I've said! Jesus. You now want to make this about the arguer, not the arguments, yes? Standard ploy. Now, if you do somethin...
Did you even read my example of the bomb-statue? They - the bomb's victims - would not have existed had it not been for me planting the bomb. Presumab...
You mean you're on the ropes. Ah, the old repeat things and they'll be true approach. Now, once again, you are killing someone if you do something tha...
Yes it does. Baby steps. If you procreate, the person you bring here is going to die. And you know that they are going to die. So you are doing someth...
No, it does kill people - have you not been paying attention at all? It kills the person it brings here. Jeez. You're like someone who insists their a...
I didn't say it was. Knowing that x will kill someone and then doing it is, however, to kill a person. Yes? If you know that doing x will result in so...
I am surprised you cannot see that the two cases are morally equivalent. If you procreate, you're killing someone. The person you bring here is going ...
So does the act of procreation. There is someone who does not yet exist that my act of procreation, should I perform it, will kill. Just as there is s...
So, let's say I plant a bomb in the centre of a city with a fuse that means it will go off in 150 years. That's wrong, yes? That's an act of murder. Y...
So? Again: you die. Everyone here dies. Nobody here 'had' to be here - we were all brought here by the actions of others. For all you know, you existe...
If you procreate, you're committing manslaughter. You know that what you do will kill a person - the person you bring into this realm. They're going t...
I don't know what you mean. I have said that we have reason to avoid death under most circumstances. I have said that this is because death is harmful...
I never said otherwise. I did not say people are averse to death - that's a psychological claim that others keep attributing to me. I said we have rea...
Didn't he also say "I do not want to live on through my children, I want to marry one" or have I got that wrong? Oh, yes, I have. "I do not want to li...
I am not talking about why people disvalue death. That's a sociological question, not a philosophical one. Our reason tells us to avoid death under mo...
No, from the beginning I have argued that we have 'reason' to avoid death in all but the most extreme circumstances.learn to read and then read the op...
What an excellent point. Yes, definitely the weak point in my argument is my claim that we have reason to avoid death under most circumstances. It's a...
Jeez, can't you people understand the difference between a normative claim - a claim about what we have reason to do - and a psychological claim - a c...
What are you on about? Why are you talking about DNA? Try and focus on the argument I made and resist the desire to express controversial and irreleva...
So, just to be clear, you are claiming that, in general, we do not have reason to avoid death? That is such a lame and absurd objection - you're welco...
No, you're not getting it. I am not arguing that it is reasonable to avoid death. That'd be like arguing that 1 + 2 = 3. It is self-evident to reason ...
Yes, although it is the other way around. Suicide is intuitively irrational under most circumstances. That's not a conclusion, but a premise. So, it i...
I provided an argument for that very claim. You are just ignoring it. Obviously it is possible for death to benefit us. If death is a portal to heaven...
Yes, but I didn't say that - i asked you to provide a quote and you couldn't. You don't seem to understand the difference between saying 'you have a r...
So, just to be clear, all you are saying is that if my argument is sound, then it is sound? What's the point in saying that? If the earth is flat, the...
I asked if you had 'reason' to avoid death. I did not ask about our instincts. Crikey. If eating x will kill you, do you think you have reason not to ...
No, an irrelevant piece of research that in no way challenges anything in the OP. As I explained. So far I've had one person tell me that it is Viking...
I direct them to the argument in the OP. Note, if one 'believes' that death is the door to a better land, then of course one will believe that one has...
Why are you talking about DNA? I am not talking about what people actually do or making any claim about what causes them to do it. I am talking about ...
That wasn't my question - for all I know you might be on fire, in which case you may well have reason to exit. Death may not be contrary to the intere...
Do you have reason to avoid death if your life is mildly miserable (or just so-so) and you have no loved ones? If you kill such a person - and lets fa...
My claim is that we have reason to avoid death under virtually all circumstances. Are you challenging that claim? I am sure most Americans believe the...
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