Bartricks

So it is not relevant to morality that morality is made of a god's values and prescriptions? I don't even know what being 'relevant to morality' means...

Yes, quite right - I could not make head nor tail of what you represented the Euthyphro to be. I then very kindly laid out what I take the Euthyphro t...

Okay, well then you're not seeing aright are you - I mean, you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Reason is a subject. So, Reason is an object, as s...

I ask one question - what is wrong with my argument? Is it invalid? No. Are any of its premises false? Well, I can't see any reason to doubt any of th...

Yes, reason is the faculty that gives us fallible insight into the values and prescriptions of Reason, who is a subject, a mind, like one of us though...

The word 'reason' is ambiguous which is why I have not used it until now. We have - most of us - a faculty of reason. faculties give us awareness of t...

Okay, then take me to school Daddio and show me the mistakes.

I mean, I agree - if you don't ruthlessly follow Reason, you probably won't arrive at my conclusion. But that's to my conclusion's credit, I think.

What, the method of ruthlessly following Reason?

Plus, even if a group can value something, you'd have to attribute a mind to the group - and then you haven't refuted my argument for no premise is ch...

No, there's considerable evidence of the use of metaphor and commission of the fallacy of composition.

I mean, if you resist my conclusion on the grounds that if enough of us approve of raping others, then rape will be morally good, then I'm not remotel...

No, but the truth of its premises does. And you haven't yet cast a reasonable doubt on any of them, so far as I can tell.

No the incoherence comes from thinking a group of subjects is itself a subject. A group cannot value something. Not unless you attribute a mind to the...

No I haven't, I have argued that to be morally valuable is to be being valued by a subject (the subject being Reason). No I haven't. Where? I have arg...

My arguments are valid and sound regardless of whether our minds are immaterial or material. So again, not relevant to the issue here.

I do remember thinking, the only problem with rape is not enough people approve of it. Gosh, I am getting a good education here.

Okaaay. Thank you wise one.

The view that moral values are 'our values' is actually even less plausible than the view that moral values are 'my' values. For both views are obviou...

And I would also point out that we test the credibility of a moral position not by doing surveys of what others are thinking, but by consulting our re...

I would point out that if we all say, right now, 'rape each other!' rape would remain wrong and bad.

I would say this: 1. If moral values are our values, then if we value something necessarily it is morally valuable. 2. if we value something it is not...

So there can't be a moral obligation not to destroy a forest, then? That someone who thinks there is a moral obligation not to destroy a forest is con...

Here: "there is a door to my left". That is a representation. It is a representation I made. I, a subject. Reason makes representations. She represent...

I have not mentioned an 'absolute entity' and I don't know what one of those is when it is at home. Yes you can. I mean, I am not, But you can. Tim in...

No, along the lines I said - I know, if I know, that I am in the same mental state as someone else when Reason represents me to be. Knowledge, whateve...

But Descartes was right about almost everything.

Okay oh wise one. Incidentally master, earlier I could not help but notice what seemed to me to be a mistake, though of course it is much more likely ...

I am now using a capital because she's a person and that's her name, or the one we've given to her. I like that you like the word 'represents', for it...

You told me to think on it some more. That assumes that there is some mysterious knowledge that you possess and that I do not, and that if only I thin...

The same way we know anything - if Reason represents the content of my mental state to be the same as yours, then I have evidence that we are in the s...

And so what you are doing, so far as I can tell, is focussing on a feature of moral values that is orthogonal to the issue at hand. The issue at hand ...

if it helps, note that nothing stops me from valuing universally - indeed, I do. I value everyone being kind. So my valuing is universal. It mentions ...

That's what I denied above. I've thought about it a lot and am unclear why you assume I haven't. Moral values are not essentially universal. Most are,...

I am entirely unclear why you are finding me unclear. Me: Someone has killed Janet. Not Janet herself or an object, but someone. A killer. You: Mr Kil...

No, for I think a value that applies to some and not others could still be moral - but I am perfectly happy to accept that there are, in fact, univers...

Traditionally her name has been Reason, but you can call her Trisha.

She is who she is. Again, you keep doing this - keep assuming that we need to identify her from among a list of suspects of your invention. She is who...

So I do not deny that moral values differ from other kinds of values - from epistemic, aesthetic and prudential - but I think that what can be said of...

I do think there is something in what you say, however, but it seems to me that you are saying something about what may characterise moral values as o...

No, I would not accept that characterisation. When you value helping the unfortunate you value something that is morally valued. But your valuing of t...

Where I say that it implies a god exists? Why? If you're genuinely interested in what's what, then you should just follow arguments where they lead, n...

I don't think you understand what the 'other things being equal' clause means - it means compare forcing sex on someone with another act that is other...

Me: it is someone, not Mr Someone. The evidence at the crime scene tells us, unequivocally, that someone - not Janet herself or some non-agential obje...

No, the problem is that you're not addressing my position or my arguments. you don't actually know what the Euthyphro problem is - that's clear from y...

Relevance?

Tell you what, to move things along I'll suggest what the supposed problem may be, and you can just confirm that it is as I say it is. The problem is ...

It is not clear to me from what you have said what the problem is supposed to be. You are talking in general terms and not addressing the view that my...

in fact, I'll go one better - I'll refute all views that aren't mine using the Euthyphro. How about that?

You gesture at the Euthyphro dilemma, but unfortunately it is not a dilemma as the answer to it is very straightforward: an act is right if and only i...