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Occam's barber is the fix.

You wouldn't ask if you'd read much of the back and forth between Gnomon and myself. Inside joke (with a "weird" kernel of truth).

We're soul brothers, Tom, in the St.Germain-des-Pres, circa 1953. :cool:

Create or destroy some matter.

We "dump all" woo-of-the-gaps "notions" like yours, Gnomon, into "the waste bin" of dognatic, New Age sophistry. Don't mind me, though, I'm just anoth...

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If so, then why assume ? implies anything at all?

:up: :up: So which are type are you, Tom? At my best I'm probably ¼"theorist", ¼"fool" & ½"thinker" (but I might be flattering myself). :sweat:

Well, "what's implied by ?"?

Yeah, but is theism – its sine qua non claims – true or not true?

So tell us how you / we scientifically know that "everything" was created. If you cannot, then you / we do not have any grounds to believe there is / ...

Ouch. :smirk:

Which "concept of God"? There's more than one concept and countlessly more instantiations of those concepts.

Well, at the very least, "the onus is on the design advocate to" demonstrate scientifically that both the universe and life are "designed" in the firs...

Confirmation of my criticism that your "Enformer / Programmer" = "intelligent designer" = "creator" = woo-of-the-gaps. :sparkle: :eyes:

Word salad. :shade:

This statement is not true unless, of course, you / someone can cite conclusive scientific evidence in favor of "ID". As I've pointed out already, uni...

I see myself as "Canonical" (or try to be). :smirk:

E.g. (my) pandeus? :up: :up:

@"Gnomon" :clap: :100: :ok:

You do realize, don't you, that classical atomism is metaphysics – a gedankenexperiment – and not physics – a physio-mathematical model? That's why I ...

The fundamental difference is that humans exist and, as far as humans know, a "creator deity" does not exist.

Non sequitur.

I don't deny "ID" any more than I deny "magic". :roll: I know the primeval soup is not an artifact like your phone or house or the city. Compositional...

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IMO, "atoms and void" is a roughly analogous picture of quantum field excitations (events) and vacuum. :wink:

Skeptics, however, are not "essentially" agnostics.

Pascal (deliberately) leaves out e.g. 'one does not believe and yet one lives forever' ... 'one believes and yet one does not live forever' ... etc. C...

"Pascal's Wager" is a false dilemma.

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I'm no molecular biologist or botanist, but off the top of my head: Broadly, those seem to be the steps.

So you must believe we're alway being watched because "all around us" on sunny days we see 'faces in clouds'.

Sir, my initial comment on "ID" states what "counts as evidence" and yet you asked anyway and I replied with two links to articles which corroborated ...

:smirk: Why don't you take issue with the strongest arguments against theisn made by principled atheists (like me or other disbelievers I can name if ...

In short I would require that the following points made in the following article be refuted. They haven't been and stand as defeaters of the so-called...

There isn't a shred of evidence, and ID makes no unique, testable predictions either.

Well, speaking only for myself, I take theism at face value and demonstrate that its sine qua non claims about g/G are not true (i.e. either incoheren...

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If "the designer" does not presuppose a designer, then why can't the universe not presuppose a designer (given that the universe, from within the univ...

I don't see how you can generalize from speculative physics to "current culture" as a whole. That doesn't follow at all. Given that the predominant in...

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@"bert1" – It must be a slow Monday. :rofl:

Elaborate please.

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Non sequitur.

Except that @"Gnomon" himself does just that ... ... aka god-of-the-gaps (sophistry) :smirk: :clap: :100: :lol:

Of course. (e.g. Compare Aristotle-Ptolemy's models to Copernicus-Galileo's models and Newton's model to Einstein's model.) I suppose we should first ...

Math is formal grammar (i.e. logical syntax). Have you forgotten, Smith, that the only "model" (map) that "corresponds one-to-one with the physical wo...

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