RogueAI

I agree. I don't think SSU's prohibition against going after the civilian population works. I think munitions and aircraft and tank factories and the ...

Isn't bombing an armaments factory where there are no soldiers and knowing you will kill civilians "going after the civilian population itself"?

What if you are planning on precision bombing an armaments factory and you know 200 civilians will be killed? Is the mission immoral? What about 20 de...

Good point.

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Remember also that Stalin was constantly clamoring for a second front and the Allies were always afraid Stalin might make a peace with Hitler. Bomber ...

Interesting, but "Goostman won a competition promoted as the largest-ever Turing test contest, in which it successfully convinced 29% of its judges th...

I think this is correct, and if/when they reach human level intelligence, and we put them in cute robots, we're going to think they're more than machi...

https://www.unicef.org/emergencies/rohingya-crisis But there are no Jews involved, so it flies under the radar of the antisemites here.

This would require solving the Problem of Other Minds, which seems insolvable.

Don't you think we're pretty close to having something pass the Turing Test?

Well, there's the rub. How can we ever determine if any Ai has agency? That's essentially asking whether it has a mind or not. There will probably eve...

But moral theories can make judgements about the policies those nations carried out, such as Manifest Destiny or the Holocaust, and if those policies ...

We'll have human-level Ai's before too long. Are they conscious? Do they have rights? These aren't new ideas, but we don't have answers to them, and t...

Really? You can't take Searle's Chinese Room seriously? Mary's Room? The Experience Machine? The Transporter Problem? The Utility Monster? You just me...

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You mean like being kidnapped by the Society of Music Lovers and hooked up to a dying violinist? That's one of the most preposterous thought experimen...

Ok, but what about my question? You're a citizen of Germany in 1942. Do you follow the law and turn in the hiding Jews? Suppose slavery still existed ...

For a lot of it's history, yes. But you didn't answer my question: "If a moral theory concludes Nazi Germany was not evil, it should be scrapped. It's...

Yes. Why do you think Trolley Car is so popular? Or Thomson's violinist analogy? Or Plato's allegory of the cave? They're totally absurd and people wi...

Yes, this reality is the particular dream the minds have come up with and work unconsciously to maintain coherency. Or there's only one mind, and this...

I think my point is obvious. The implausibility of a moral thought experiment is beside the point. I mean, what are you doing standing next to a switc...

This was not about bombing Germany, but about litmus tests for moral theories. If a moral theory concludes Nazi Germany was not evil, it should be scr...

You think that's implausible??? Let's suppose you were kidnapped by the Society of Music Lovers and hooked up to a dying violinist... stupid, right? H...

Suppose a woman is being raped and strangled. She has a gun and the only shot available to her is a headshot. Furthermore, she also knows the rapist i...

This begs the question of whether laws should always be followed, and since we're talking about WW2...suppose Nazi Germany had a law requiring people ...

For the purposes of this thread, I'm just being agnostic about whether consciousness comes from matter. People should be agnostic about whether matter...

So that's a "yes", then. You would use a gun against an enemy with no weapons. In your words, "categorically disproportionate".

If a bigger, stronger, faster person than you is beating the crap out of you/trying to rape you, and you have a gun, would you use it?

You wouldn't even have to target N. Korean population centers. In the event of an invasion, tactical nukes against their invading forces would be suff...

Well, let's look at one of those lines on a map. If North Korea invades South Korea and has killed hundreds of thousands of citizens in Seoul using ga...

You seem to be implying that politics necessarily leads to immorality, else why should one avoid it? Yet politics is necessary for society. Are you an...

I might agree with you if we're talking about someone forced into a leadership position. That's not the case here. Leaders almost always choose to get...

It's moral to quit one's post and provoke a crisis in leadership on the eve of a Nazi invasion? How is that not cowardice?

Why do you think it's not computational?

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If Putin and the top leadership had known the war would go on this long with this many Russian casualties, do you think they still would have invaded?

So, killing the enemy with bombs, bullets, and flame is OK, but gas is wrong. Why? Because you made a promise not to use it? As far as horrible deaths...

Lincoln once said, "If slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong." We can apply that to the Holocaust as well. Here's a litmus test for any moral theory:...

If you're Churchill, and the Germans are about to invade, and you have good intelligence they're completely unprepared for a gas attack, you would hon...

Yes, that suggests life should be pretty common. Multicellular life took a long time, so that suggests it should be uncommon. But this goes back to my...

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That seems easily defeated by the basic Trolley Car scenario (I don't think Kantians will pull the lever). We can load up Trolley Car to absurd limits...

If we observe a billion examples of evolution on other planets and discover that life never gets to the multicellular stage on any of them, that would...

We've studied evolution on one planet, so how can we determine, with a sample size of one, whether evolution is directed or not?

It doesn't sound like you're enjoying yourself here. Maybe try a different forum.

OK, but he is Prime Minister, and we both agree he has a moral obligation as Prime Minister to protect his people from Nazi invasion. Now, there are a...

There needs to be much more of an emphasis on vocational training in public high schools. There are always students in my class who love working with ...

Does Churchill, as prime minister, have a moral obligation to protect his people from Nazi invasion?

Everything was fair game for the Allies. Germany started an evil war of aggression. Nothing they did once they went down that road was justified.