Unfortunately for your argument "not existing" is not a "thing" you can compare against. B becomes his own man and has the choice to live life how he ...
That's why I said the values are learned from the parents or the environment. I should have also included the pre-existing genetic makeup, which is ac...
Not yet. "A is justified to cause individual B to do something A doesn’t know B agrees with" Is a false premise because it assumes B is capable of dec...
The child will learn a set of values either from his parents or the environment he is raised in, before then he is not capable of deciding whether his...
But other than food and shelter, that is what a born child needs, a nurturing parent that loves them and teaches them. They want nothing more, and nei...
That is directly and willfully harming them with intent. The answer is no. If your intent is to have children with the purpose of torturing them, then...
You are creating the problem. There is no such a thing as consent coming form being incapable of understanding what consent is. Consent develops after...
It is not forcing. I'm not taking the child out of unborn child limbo against his will and pushing him out into the mean bad world. Children don't exe...
Ah, but there is no forcing here. Nothing comes as natural as giving birth. But it is all about belief, no? I just don't believe you can reduce life t...
Understood. It is a belief where the only escape from suffering is to not exist, where creating a new life would inevitably bring new suffering to som...
A higher purpose would trump the concern for individual harm. That's the point of a higher purpose, it is above the needs/wants/fears of the individua...
The most significant effect of not introducing more life is that the life cycle will end. "If" there was a greater purpose as you suggest to be a poss...
This "suffering" thing has been integral to the cycle of life since its inception, what, 2 billion years ago or so. So now that life has gotten to a p...
What I consider a good reason, you don't. You are asking me to understand what "good" means to you, and structure my answer in a way that fits that mo...
You're the one who said: So I was trying to make it easier for you. Since your strategy keeps reverting to calling me a hypocrite, and because of the ...
Since you're using murder as a parallel, I'll delineate a parallel plan: Murdering causes suffering, so we will outlaw murder to limit it. Birthing ca...
Not really. After all, by whatever method that we clearly do not yet understand nature produced humans, where humans are nowhere near to produce anyth...
More than directing the argument towards what I personally consider good or bad, whether human existence is good or bad, or anecdotal examples about h...
Impossible and highly unlikely are far from being the same. For the sake of argument, if you erase the morally responsible all you have left is the mo...
Whether it is learned or not is of no consequence for my statement. I can't agree or disagree because the key words on that sentence (happy people, mo...
I don't share that belief. I'm not speaking of social evolution, but natural evolution... social evolution has nothing to do with what I wrote. Also d...
From a purely logical perspective your argument is coherent. For purely argumentative purposes I can go along with suffering = bad, and happiness = go...
One problem I see is implentation. Voluntary participation is probably unlikely. If an antinatalist became supreme ruler of the world and legislated t...
Aren't you making far reaching assumptions to conclude hypocrisy based on nothing but my stated remarks on anti-natalism? I suppose my problem is unde...
I see it more like an attractor than a problem, finding meaning is what humans naturally do. My personal case would be a very bad example because I ha...
I disagree, no significant portion of the population goes through such though process when deciding to have a child. The real question would be how do...
Hi khaled, My question was aimed at trying to understand what could motivate a belief in antinatalism, in all honesty I was puzzled by the belief afte...
I have some questions. Assuming the entire population abides by the antinatalist fundamental and stops giving birth. Within 100 and so years most huma...
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