In the sense of a simplistic version of both (which sadly few people get beyond), yes. This cuts "both ways" because the risk is bad quality religion ...
Observation achieved with the help of complex calculation and inference is evidence. I assume ongoing evaluation of method. Belief and trust are ordin...
According to me I need to mix first with people who will (by their demeanour and sound hermeneutic in life) help me identify basis for my belief. "Fai...
Alleged talk of "god" or "religion" is really talk of the "god or religion pretext" with lots of "god or religion subtexts". I have read your poignant...
ostensible talk of "god" is usually really talk of a "god pretext" Like the dimosthenes9 quoted which enforces the "tank" effect for example. I know s...
This "ranking" probably varies with different countries and ethnic heritages - but not to contradict you. I am aware of infinite variation in quality ...
Thank you, sorry I didn't understand that well enough. Now we are nearer bases for discussions. Good observations. Just because no-one "concludes" the...
Am I allowed to react after 2 months? The "killer" (in the example given) re Godel is surely a bit of hilarity! Baden, what a brilliant thread, mega t...
That is a cool paradox! I gather that in the Middle Ages "proof" meant logical plausibility for further trial by experience. At best, they were admira...
The strawberry is sustenance. Its trace elements will give the person stamina to gain inspiration and insight. What one should want to survive is one'...
ref your last three posts, if people don't have personal experience of god or religious events it is unlikely faith or beliefs would arise via intelle...
Can we pull this apart. Have you got boundaries or do you get walked over? Boundaries are your healthy exchange zone. Better gods and their better adh...
They don't always, but we (and this is a public educative forum) have to look very hard at the rationale if reasoning is supposed to be based on that,...
... is what I had in mind and my construction got mixed up with "something rather than nothing"! :wink: I had to be frank about the state of my readin...
The risk from Dimosthenis9, Corvus and Philosophim is that they will create one more eccentric clique signalling ambiguously (even to themselves) abou...
I want to nuance your statement because there are too many definitions or usages of "god". In Nietzsche's milieu we know something of the concept the ...
On the one hand I think churches used to be a place to sing together (more rare in the last 15 years). I also agree it's tough leaving anything. As a ...
Chance could be working through "god" - whether a necessary OR a contingent "god". I keep stating (because I love to see myself typing it) that we are...
Frank Visser's book Ken Wilber, thought as passion (State University of New York Press, 2003) which has got lots of quotes from Wilber in it, explains...
Are there other kinds of mysticism according to you besides Tao? How do you compare and contrast. I'll look out my book on Ken Wilber because of this ...
I don't know if your exotic sounding handle is meant to convey anything to me but as an intellectual I embrace some of the claimed attitudes of the an...
But the spiritual, and intuition, are usually not ecstatic, fortunately. My peak experience is to be ordinary. That probably places me at the peak of ...
No, it was just as tangible as all this but could not longer be remembered on practical grounds since most people had been upheavalled, as I explained...
Yes those are the hazard causers, not anyone's religious or non-religious badges. In my view of logic, sound premises are essential. Learning is open ...
And we can all be teleological biscuits if we're not too half baked in the way we go about our lives :wink: (The ultimate teleological biscuits being ...
Is telos in the kind of examples given facing the same direction as cause because it starts in your mind and crytallises or concretises later. You may...
If the actual picture in Gen ch 1 verses 2 to end, is as far back as they could remember (perhaps after the Sunda Sea got formed after the Ice Ages - ...
The fabric of the universe is analogies all the way down. They aren't necessarily / probably aren't identical; they are in an analogous position. You ...
It was irrational of Britain in the 1850s not to stay neutral, let Russia try to fend off France while perhaps learning a small lesson about whatever ...
Jeremiah's point exactly - worsening oppressions right in the middle of Josiah's "Make Judah Great Again" campaign. Josiah who was so out of it he mis...
It has "evolved", that's why I don't claim to be one by their newfangled definition. Also, what is grouped as evolution has changed (and most "evoluti...
The subjective is the route how the objective comes to us. In the anthropic principle, what is out there and what is in our heads exist at the same ti...
I know that your last question isn't for me and I'm not trying to stop him answering it. Nearly all opponents these days were influenced partly by the...
Make logic accessible in schools, and actually follow and implement it. Authorities are going backwards in their standard. You and I have less power. ...
I get this now. I guess I didn't know (as a youngster) I had to restrict myself to being Euclidian. There was no harm in the syllabus (then) and no ha...
Indeed, the apologetists haven't shown you whether the resurrection is relevant. I include it in my range of "relative". But what would you base moral...
The fact that this has been presented thus by apologetists hasn't helped anyone's morals. The bad effects of ambition to apologetism strengthen my arg...
It's that British and American politicians went in there making promises they had no intention of keeping and they expect UK and US troops and public ...
I like: - that many of the answers will remain incomplete or even almost completely unknown, due to too few clues - that you often have to change the ...
Rabble rousers have been setting up gullible unthinking "believers" with simplistic caricatures of "belief". I've followed this for two thirds of a ce...
Texts deliberately made semi-nonsensical are only authoritative in combination with accompanying teaching of meanings, and if that doesn't deserve our...
I find it fascinating to ponder the many usages of the term "square": - in logic - "it squares" (is consistent) - in aesthetics - geometry, which assi...
Sociology of religion often finds itself cataloguing one or more tribes of not harmless enough eccentrics who claim that morality is "what we do" and ...
180 Proof and Dimosthenes seem agreed that religious sources get misused for bad. Taking several steps back I note the etymology of "god" is in "to wh...
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