Yes. That seems to be the point that Heisenberg was making when he said " . . . . it's a question of translation : the conventional language of physic...
Thanks for that quickie quantum update. I assume the article is interesting to Theoretical/Mathematical Physicists. But, can you tell me, in a few jar...
After Quantum Physics introduced Uncertainty into Science, and substituted Virtual Particles for Real Atoms, I suspect that quite a few disillusioned ...
I agree : picture-taking is an observation/intervention, that -- like silver & vampire -- is incompatible with mystery-shrouded superposition. And the...
I didn't "misinterpret the paper", and I didn't "interpret the paper", because I didn't read the technical paper. I did request that others, more qual...
Thanks for that information. I asked TC where he got the information to support his assertion that the Yin Yang image was both input & output, and he ...
What evidence? You posted your opinion implying that the common Yin Yang symbol was used as input for the process of photographing entangled photons (...
My question was not a dichotomy. Merely an incomplete list of unknown possibilities. Maybe they are Alien beings trying to sow discord among PF poster...
Unfortunately, Logos and Prime Mover might be rejected by Materialists*1 as unprovable Transcendent beings or forces. For me that's not a problem, bec...
Thanks for the reference. The technical stuff is beyond me too. But the references to three different "states" provides fodder for speculation. The "u...
didn't respond to my request for the source of his information/opinion about the intentional use of the YY symbol as input instead of as output of the...
Since you are reading-into the "4mm", a prejudiced meaning which is not expressed in the image, who should be ashamed? If you can produce evidence to ...
Yes. Materialists, for doctrinal reasons, typically lump Energy into the same ontological category as Matter. Admittedly, Energy is essential to Physi...
Yes. I had imagined quantum entanglement as random noise, and the dis-entangled particle as a recognizable image. It never occurred to me that a tangl...
Maybe, maybe not. The 4mm may be measuring the object under scrutiny, or the photographic image produced by the equipment. Some labels would help. I'm...
Good Point! For all practical purposes, and within the here & now world, I am essentially an Atheist, but I prefer the more modest & philosophical lab...
Yes, I'm familiar with Capra's seminal work. But, I doubt that even he, as a physicist, would imagine that entangled photons would graphically resembl...
I certainly don't understand why an attempt to create an image of a "physical" object would require the inclusion of a completely unrelated image. Whi...
Is it your understanding that the scientists took a picture of a cultural symbol, and published it as-if it's a picture of two photons orbiting each o...
This thread seems to have diverged into a debate on Physics (energy, matter) instead of Metaphysics (abstract concepts such as being, knowing, substan...
I apologize for offering you novel ideas that your background didn't prepare you to understand. But the scientific terminology I used, by analogy, did...
You could say that what defines a unique ability of homo sapiens is that "we know that we know, and we can communicate that knowledge in words". Altho...
Your defensive skepticism missed the point. It's just an analogy. As I said, this Energy/Information equation is a novel philosophical concept, not a ...
FWIW, here are some thoughts on the relation between Enformy (the natural tendency to create and transform material objects) and Energy. You won't fin...
Do you require empirical evidence for a "philosophical thesis*1"? Most philosophical assertions are supported by argumentation, that you can accept or...
I don't want to sound obtuse, but "role of observation"*1 and "observer effect"*2 are different in what sense? Does, or does not, experimental observa...
For me, that was just a guess. I'm not an expert in animal psychology. But I see videos on YouTube of animals that seem to make analogies in order to ...
You don't find my postulation convincing? How do you explain the "change"? It was a personal philosophical guess, based on the discussion above. I did...
I'm not sure I understand what you are implying. That an observation (or perturbation) precedes the so-called "collapse" is not in question. But "corr...
I too, am an Atheist -- or technically an Agnostic -- but due to my philosophical explorations of "something" like Plato/Aristotle's First Cause/Prime...
Yes. That's the part of the Consciousness Causes Collapse metaphor that sounds like mind-over-matter magic. But, if we remember that Properties (attri...
Yes, animals also seem to experience "what it's likeness". But we only know that by inference from animal behavior that is analogous to human behavior...
Actually, the special nature of quantum physics is not deterministic & mechanical, but uncertain & informational : i.e. non-classical. Thus, the need ...
Yes, events happen to a rock, but the rock doesn't seem to feel it ; to be moved by it --- unless you count gravity & momentum. In humans, the basis o...
I didn't realize that Consciousness had so many degrees, like a PhD. I suppose an earthworm, nosing thru the soil has minimal consciousness -- taste &...
That's an interesting way to phrase the "hard problem" of "what it's likeness". A computer can mechanically process information without bothering with...
Yes. I think Bohr's magical/statistical metaphor was taken literally by those who wanted a more mechanical/physical explanation for the non-classical ...
I understand that my discussions of the Mind vs Matter question may be difficult to follow, in part because I have no formal training in Philosophy, a...
I think the point of the quote is that Abstraction is a function of the Observer's data-filtering belief-forming system. Hence, not so much a Dualism ...
Yes, Information is inter-dependent. It's physical, in the sense that it is transmitted from mind to mind via physical vehicles (ink, sound, rhodopsin...
I began to "conceptualize reality in terms of information" about 15 years ago, when a quantum physicist --- studying the material foundation of realit...
I don't think Dualism is a "faulty assumption" for dealing with complex reality (Epistemology). But I can agree with your implicit criticism of the co...
Yes, but as Pinter himself says on page 148 : "a symbol is a placeholder". So, we need to avoid confusing the material Symbol (reference ; pointer) wi...
Why resist the idea of "meaning" as an idea (ideal) instead of an object (real) --- an abstract symbol rather than the concrete thing symbolized? If M...
I'm currently reading a book by Mathematician Charles Pinter, subtitled "How the Mind Creates the Features & Structure of All Things". And it's the cr...
A paternalistic or maternalistic government may influence some people to believe certain Tory/Whig*1 political positions, as opposed to those of the d...
As a philosophical Iayman, I don't often use the technical jargon "supervene" (to come after) in brain/mind discussions. Instead, I merely note that M...
In the context of Christianity, Divine Hiddenness doesn't make sense. God is recorded in the Bible as directly intervening in human affairs, and even ...
Taken literally, that subject = object notion sounds like a figment looking at its own concept, as illustrated in Escher's hand-drawing-hand image. Ho...
I don't doubt that a scientific observation of quantum superposition results in a change of some kind. But the notion that a single mind's act of perc...
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