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The preconscious mind IS conscious in the required way. What call and perceive as consciousness is what that mind passes on to us as consciousness. So...

If anyone out there understands this gobbledegook, please explain what Henri thinks.

But don't you see, even if you believe that a will enforces that we call laws, that is also random in the sense that one might say "Well, natural laws...

It refers to predictable and reliable regularity in how things in the world and universe behave.

BS. "Take me back. I'll be your indentured slave for five years in exchange." I think the only viable way to let the mid-trip crew know about Earth is...

I did say "theoretical." Wherever there's a slim hope, there's hope. Where there's no hope, that's it: there's no hope. I see no way around keeping th...

But a colonist basically understands that he's colonizing and can, at least theoretically, return to whence he came. If you're keeping the crew ignora...

So that our species continues was never a part of the OP. It might well be just a pure science probe or even religion-driven. You're introducing your ...

But on the gross (atomic level and above) level, the universe is overwhelmingly law-driven. Randomness doesn't hold planets in orbit or enforce the in...

And that impacts the ethical question how? What do you mean by "would be"? Why not "could be"? or "is"? "Would be" is typically be followed by somethi...

Well, you totally missed the point, then. It was about how ethical is it to take human on a space mission they didn't consent to go on and to use thei...

I apologize.

The dome technology would be Earth technology brought with them, not an adaptation to Planet X. And it's not a technology we "evolved to have." We evo...

And this is why for those on the crew in the middle of the trip who probably won't be told about the mission, who see the ship as a world they live in...

You had said, "It's just not like Homo sapiens to see an apple tree bearing ripe fruit and not taste it. If the apples taste good, we'll pick every la...

Indeed, the randomness we perceive may BE lawful if we could but understand those laws, but the impediments to doing so are massive, and so we use sta...

I'm far from claiming we can't go, at least as a possibility, and assuming a LOT of problems are solved. But if we go there and live in a glass dome o...

Earth is where humans can survive (assuming we don't continue to eff it up). No other place is as suited because this is where we evolved.

Wow! A great and successful attempt to miss my point. While the vast majority of settlers stayed, I think you'll find some soured on the idea and soug...

You mean like "figure of speech" is a figure of speech? If by nonrandom elements you are implying a deity, you're correct. The notion that the entire ...

You left a lot out. During our (meaning the European) exploratory period, we introduced those we encountered with a mix of new resources (steel workin...

Randomness generates new possibilities which natural selection can keep or reject.

Slavery changes people for the better. Whether they like it or not, I guess.

As I've pointed out elsewhere, the children and descendants of early expansionist settlers on Earth always have the OPTION, however remote, of turning...

Your statement, like many, overlooks the fact that the space slaves don't have even a prayer of going back.

Didn't you say we were created modeled after him? That how human beings work.

So, like man, God has a pre-conscious mind feeding his passive conscious mind experiences? Weird. BTW, I'm assuming the God you're referring to is Zeu...

There is no parallel between the spacecraft as described people brought to The New World on ships because since ships can go in both directions, there...

I don't know who you're quoting, but it isn't me. By being kept in the dark, they aren't even free to give an informed whine.

No, you're an invasive species. Unless, of course, Asian carp and house cats are native to the United States. But the people on the spacecraft don't h...

You're not imprisoned on Earth. Earth is your species' natural home. And no third party decided you or I were going to spend our meager existences on ...

I'm politely asking everyone whose "contribution" is to poo-poo the entire idea of interstellar travel to go away. If you want to accept the premise o...

This is not a discussion of whether interstellar travel is possible. Why not do something constructive like accepting the premise as a hypothetical?

I feel this discussion is largely tapped out, so I'm tapping out and moving on to my new discussion of the ethics of space travel.

Do you think it's possible you are actually on the surface of the Moon? I mean, Cartesian doubt is always possible, so maybe we can't be sure about an...

Looks interesting. I will take a look.

You may be new to this discussion, so you may not know that I don't respond to article-length bedsheet tracts. I'm responding to several others and I ...

Do.

Based on everything we know, it's a reasonable a justifiable assumption that amoeba can't have experience. I can't make assumptions on what I don't kn...

For me, to be conscious is to be having experiences, and they are given to me by my pre-conscious mind. My brain. The only "contact" is the passive on...

I'm telling you what i meant. Nobody else can do that. Not even you. LOL Assumptions can be justified. We base assumptions on evidence. My cat seems c...

Feeling free isn't BEING free. And while I, on the conscious level, FEEL free, I have no idea at all what my pre-conscious brain/mind feels. If, indee...

I don't know what this "experience of free will" is. Sure, I raise my arm, but my brain knew I'd be doing that and set up the action before my awarene...

You're making a category error. I don't assume that I am conscious. I know that directly. I assume others are conscious, but admit that I may be wrong...

You're confusing "sense" with "stimulus." Senses, as humans understand them, are faculties that one has at least the capability of being conscious of ...

Freedom in the sense of lack of constraints, even combined with a sensation of being free, is no proof of free will, for all of that is the product of...

I have never said that my belief that I'm conscious is an assumption. I know I'm conscious because I'm having experiences, which is consciousness as I...

I don't believe free will is possible, so what sort of will are you talking about and how does it work?

Assumptions can be quite logical and rational. I assume there's no hippopotamus in my coat closet for rational and logical reasons. I just looked in m...

An amoeba has no "senses" in the sense we generally use the term. Just responses.