Okay...for his day and age...it was the kind of "conclusion" that would be drawn...which was the reason he proposed it. Today, though, is not "back th...
That is not the point of what I said...and I suspect you know that. From Wikipedia: Jupiter also known as Jove was the god of the sky and thunder From...
I don't see the word "atheist" or "atheism" in the OP...so I am still not sure what YOU mean when you use those words. As you say, though, we can clea...
"Atheism" is an almost useless word. One must give an explanation of what one means when using it. Some people intend to mean " a lack of belief in an...
By now, it is an outrage that we have not devised a system where every citizen has sufficient of the necessities of life...without resorting to workin...
My main thought about suicide is that it should be something a person can obtain help in doing in a decent way...perhaps even with final good-byes. It...
If you had begun your comments with, "Your conclusion may not be correct"...I would have given it some respect. As it is...you are telling me that MAN...
The "g" in gods (which would make more sense if you are meaning "nothing further by it"...is almost always in lower case unless it is the first word o...
Then why on Earth would you insist on using God...rather than a god or gods? Really? You have no problem using a lower case in your use of "creator".....
Okay...my position is that I do not know if the REALITY is that at least one god exists...or if the REALITY is that no gods exist. Are you saying that...
Okay, let's say you are correct there. But the title of your thread here is "Presentism IS IMPOSSIBLE...and the implications of that are that, a "crea...
I'm not trying to be a wise-ass here, Devans...and I appreciate your point of view and willingness to defend it. But what you see as a "probability an...
C'mon, Devans. What do you suppose I am guessing about? I am not making guesses in this area. And as for your "calculating"...ummm...you might conside...
Okay...but we have to allow for an inability to do something via the "scientific method" at the current time. Right now...it is not possible for us to...
My apologies...you did not use "God." I screwed up there. Allow me to change my earlier response. A probability analysis that comes up with a 97% chan...
I'm thinking we cannot establish whether unicorns exist or not...using logic, reason, science, or math. Big universe. An equine with a single horn sti...
A probability analysis that comes up with a 97% chance for the existence of "God"...is zero steps away from being a blind guess that the blind guesser...
I am not resorting to anything. I am merely stating a fact. I must reject this because everyone knows for certain that 87.6% of all statistics are mad...
I can make a better one. The POSSIBILITY of "God" is absolute. No way around it. "God" absolutely is possible. No need to argue to that end. Unless a ...
I can help you with that. The end of Aquinas' "argument of the first cause" essentially is: Therefore it is necessary to admit a first efficient cause...
Thank you for your response, Devans. Except for people who are convinced that a god (a god they already have in mind) exists...none of what Aquinas wr...
I notice the other responses mostly focus on points # 1 - #3 of your condensation, Aaron. My problem with the matter has to do with #4 and #5. I take ...
Okay. Thanks, Devans. I suspected that was where this was heading. The desire to arrive at the position of a need for a "prime mover"...is so compelli...
CoolGuy and Terrapin seem to have a handle on the possible math inconsistencies of your assertions here; I suck at math...so I'll leave that element t...
In my opinion, deists and theists both make a guess that a "god or gods" exist. That is central to both disciplines. They do make different guesses ab...
That seems to lead to "NOTHING EXISTS." Or...to "There was one thing that existed always and did not have to first 'start existing'...and that 'one th...
What terms? I am not sure of what terms you are asking me to contrast. You mentioned "deism" but no other. Not sure what you are asking. I didn't say ...
Wow! That was an excellent explanation, Coolguy. So, using it the way Devans is using it (as a number) can make for an illogical conclusion. (Using it...
Can you get into this with a bit more detail. It seems to me that if "any finite number of years ago exists"...that is infinity...because for any fini...
Hi, back at you, Devans, Having a bit of difficulty understanding the certainty of your assertions in your arguments, but I want to leave that for a b...
Theism seems to resolve into: "A guess that at least one god exists in the REALITY." Atheism is a bit more murky, but seems to resolve into "A guess t...
Okay...apparently you will not concede that there can be anything wrong with your assertion that "presentism is logically absurd" and therefore eterna...
Proselytize may be a synonym of evangelize...BUT they actually do NOT mean the same thing. That has been pointed out by others. Evangelizing is a form...
I did NOT take the verse out of context...it is a famous quote attributed to Jesus and is used in Relitous discussions FREQUENTLY. If you want to thin...
Whether he lies or not, Jesus does seem to contradict himself in certain areas. In Matthew 5:17ff, Jesus declares: "Do not think that I have come to a...
Background: If I use a personal descriptor in this area, I use agnostic, but I prefer not to use a descriptor. Now...the sentence of yours that I quot...
The "time runs slower in the presence of gravity" is an unusual statement. I've never been in a place without gravity. I don't think any human has...n...
Gotta read all the other replies...but your OP seems to be a back door entry to a supposed "proof of 'God'." (Don't have the time right at the moment....
I both disagree and agree with you, Cat. First, though...just to be precise, I did not say that 2+2 equals 4 by definition...I said that 2+2 in base t...
Just to put my two cents into play... ...if you mean 2+2=4 in base ten... ...it seems indisputable. It seems to reduce to a definition. We define 2+2 ...
A problem I see with the comments in this discussion is the same problem I see with all discussions containing the words "believe" or "belief." I am n...
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