Frank Apisa

But that has been my point right along. Are you agreeing with me...or are you disagreeing?

Okay...in the other thread I was not able to understand what you were saying or why you were saying it. Here, I not only understand...I agree totally ...

Sorry, Fooloso...not meaning to be rude, but I have no idea of what the hell you are talking about or where you are heading with your comments.

You seem upset. Calm down. We're just discussing. Very often I say something somewhere...and have to repeat it. No big deal. Sorry it seems to be that...

That is why I wrote: "...we cannot even narrow it down to "it is more likely no gods" or "it is more likely at least one god exists." You were taking ...

Silly game you are playing...but if it keeps you around, I'm up to it. Either you are of the opinion that the likelihood of "at least one god exists" ...

Okay...a challenge. Using reason, logic, math, or science...present an argument that... ...it is more likely there is at least one god than that there...

I have been discussing this topic for over 20 years on the Internet...and have written many published op ed pieces on it for over 20 years before that...

Do you assert that it is more likely that there are no gods than that there is at least one... ...or are you content to say the chances of "no gods ex...

Ahhh...still responding. Still meeting that part of my plan! Thanks.:wink:

Respectfully as possible...that is not so. An atheist that thinks being an atheist means something else such as that you hate religion or do not belie...

Not only can we NOT prove or disprove the existence or non-existence of gods using logic or reason or math or science... ...we cannot even narrow it d...

My game is just fine. Things are working exactly the way I want them to work That seems to be bothering you. Or perhaps you are just pretending to be ...

For someone who thinks I am on "a level not worth responding to"... ...you sure are doing a lot of responding, S. Wonder why that is?

Why? Because you say so? Why are you asserting that? Where does that come from? Not sure why you think that...but I am saying it is incorrect. My susp...

I agree.

Do whatever you want to do. No need to announce it. Just do it.

I'm not. Please consider the qualifier I used..."IF" KNOWLEDGE IS POSSIBLE." Knowledge, even of self...may not be possible. Everything, including this...

No...It is not. My "accusation" was not false...but now you have answered it...and we will leave it at that. As for having the required intelligence.....

Not sure you have a hard grasp of solipsism...but I agree with the essence of your position. Solipsism gets lots of scorn in philosophical discussions...

Perhaps not in your opinion. But in my opinion, it is. You did NOT answer my question! And one should not have to "read between the lines." The lines ...

Please...do not give me that "trivial" stuff. There is no way I will identify as ATHEIST...which I consider as unintellectual as THEIST. Anyone using ...

Correct. One does not ALWAYS need to get into specifics. But in a discussion in a Philosophy Forum...it almost always IS useful, if not actually neces...

I suspect you are making a mistake with that impression, Sime. I suspect some people, like Devans for example, do it in quest of a goal that must be r...

I am NOT a theist. IF you were saying what you wrote...you are essentially saying that theists are "wrong." That means you are saying "there are no go...

Nice commentary. I was with you right up until the end. Then it got a bit murky...with that, "We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wro...

And you are certainly free to do so. I, on the other hand, would say being able to do that has absolutely no impact on the question, "Does at least on...

I suspect that for you, the fact that elephants have tusks...or oak trees grow from acorns...points to a start of time. "A start of time" is an essent...

Lemme ask you this, TS: There is 100% NO EVIDENCE of any sentient life on any planet circling the nearest 25 stars to Sol. Not one iota of evidence th...

I, for one, have no problem with starting at 50% - 50%. My problem is with the nonsense that atheists, theists, and "agnostic tending toward deism" ad...

Perhaps I am "misunderstanding." Why would someone want to have a discussion about anything...and insure that the matter being discussed is obscure? I...

Yeah, I guess if its "intended job" is to confuse and obscure...I imagine it does. Not sure why anyone would use it that way, but...

Be sure to let me know that you have started such a discussion. I will participate.

Great. I also find it interesting. Okay. I was a practicing Catholic at one time...but my position on the issue now is: I do not know if gods exist or...

Okay, you cannot simplify it further. (I'd just like to discuss this a bit. I mean no insult. Just attempting to understand YOUR position a bit better...

Here we go with the "what do you mean by that" question. (The "believe in" construct is unfathomable to me.) When you say, "I believe in God" (with a ...

Well...since my position is 180 degrees out of synch with yours, I don't think discussing it is making too much of it. But if you would prefer not to ...

Devans...let me ask you directly something I have asked you directly (albeit, sarcastically) previously. Make one of your probability estimates on thi...

I have a problem with the personal descriptors used in religious or philosophical discussions, Pattern. The word "atheist" for instance, has so many d...

A blind guess that at least one god exists...and a blind guess that no gods exist... ...are by their nature mutually exclusive. One, by any human stan...

My position is: I do not know if gods exist or not; I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible; I see no ...

I've been at this for a very, very long time, Devans. I know that I have seen dozens (tens of dozens) of probability estimates that show conclusively ...

Yup. Much better atmosphere here. The entire of society around the world seems to be toxic these days. Glad to be away from it for a while.

;)

Oops! I lost track of that. I was wrong, Devans,.you are correct. I apologize. Damn...and it is only March. I usually do not make my first mistake unt...

Hey, Iolo. Yeah, I had to get away from that other place. Way too much hatred. Soldier on, my friend. Your one liners will go a lot further here than ...

We are in agreement there, Devans. Of course, that makes me wonder why you titled this discussion, "God exists, I'll tell you why." No, Devans...you h...

You are kidding yourself, Devans. The fact that you are supposing you have solved a problem that the greatest minds that have ever existed on the plan...

There seems to be no way to tell which is true...but some people like you will continue to insist your side is true (or more likely true)...and those ...

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT PRETENDING TO HAVE A PROBABILITY ESTIMATE IS ANY MORE "ENLIGHTENED" THAN SIMPLY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE DO NOT KNOW THE ...