Brett

Very interesting point. Looking back on things I’m shocked with what it’s taken to get where I am.

Free will. We don’t have to be angry. We can chose to manage it, or not. We can take something lying around that’s not ours or we can leave it. We can...

Maybe you’re being amusing. But in any case I mean we’ll never agree over the whole nature/nurture thing.

That’s where we’ll never agree.

:up:

I think that’s just relativist thinking, it doesn’t help me at all.

I don’t think we select behaviour. It rises up according to conditions. I think we chose when and how to let it assert itself through our free will. W...

Straighten us out then.

What else could it be? Unless you want to say it’s cultural. Hence my reference to primates that also behave this way. It wasn’t our culture that infl...

I was making the point that just because we have “tendencies” doesn’t mean we are owned by them or that we lack free will.

No. We get angry at particular things. It’s a response.

Why would you think that? I’m talking about a tendency and obviously of varying degrees. And it was in relation to free will.

I don’t think it means that. We have the tendency to be angry but we can chose to override it.

From what I’ve read actions like this are not within their norms. There has even been the theory that it’s the imposition of humans on their environme...

International Journal of Primatology April 1992, Volume 13, Issue 2, pp 209–212 | Cite as Understanding behavior. What primate studies tell us about h...

Oh no! You mean the artists are being forced to write statements?

Perfect.

Sorry, I meant I can’t be bothered with you. You’re like a mosquito, you spend your whole life looking for ankles to bite.

What on earth is wrong with you?

No. I can’t be bothered.

Considering some of the OPs moved to the lounge I don’t understand why this is still here. Edit: but I think I understand. If it’s not seen here other...

Actually, just looking at that photo makes me think of murder. I don’t need any intellectual definition.

Laws against killing were introduced after, or as a result of, the killings. They were a response. So in some ways the law doesn’t really define murde...

Do you think there might have been premeditated feeling of hatred in those chimps that attacked the tyrant chimp? Hatred is a lot different than acts ...

You know what murder is. No I don’t think that at all. I don’t think chimpanzee behaviour is human. I’m trying to find commonalities in primates.

Do you really need to have a definition for murder? Is it such an unusual thing for you to think about?

This OP is related to the OP about free will and evil, whether humans have evil tendencies. If chimps commit evil acts, a tough call I admit, then it ...

It amounts to a revolutionary act that does go against their social structure. Right or wrong they decided to get rid of him. Though it’s hard to know...

Even if the act is directed at a tyrant it’s still murder, isn’t it? It might be justified but it’s still murder.

I don’t think “killed” works. Animals kill for food, so do we. The tyrant chimp was killed to remove his presence. His life was taken to rid the world...

I put this up because I had raised it on another OP and deciding if it was murder seemed to me to require its own OP. Why didn’t I tell you what I mea...

Then why would they act badly? A good person will only act in a good way, so it’s only the neutral people doing all the damage? If they have no side o...

Improve in what way?

Most definitely.

Do you mean explain it? Because “defend yourself” sounds like you disagree. What I mean is that they use the artist statement to justify a work that h...

Defend what?

Actually let’s say the artist statement justifies the work itself.

That may be so. But there is evidence of primates murdering. I don’t imagine they think in terms of morality. But if the killing was unnecessary then ...

I’m 100% in agreement with you remember. These people don’t have much of an imagination, they’re not really spontaneously creative. They have to const...

Non taken.

That’s a tough performance.

I think it’s become a style of sorts. It’s like all exhibitions have a title. Academia has totally influenced things, because so many artists come thr...

No, I couldn’t understand the context. Now I do. Edit: by the way why do you think I’m American?

Though the statement is an integral part of the work because that’s how the work was constructed.

Agree 100%. Edit: artist statements are an academic notion.

Excuse my confusion, but doesn’t that graph indicate a higher spending by government on people than other countries? I don’t see what’s so bad about t...

I should clarify what meant earlier by natural in reference to evil. It sounds like I meant evil exists in nature. What I meant was that evil is one o...

The trouble is, Hanover, that there’s nothing for them in that. They want immediate satisfaction, not a better world down the line. Maybe they don’t e...

What next from the Democrat Dancing Troupe, self immolation? Whatever it is it’s going to have to be very big, a real spectacle.

I didn’t say animals, I said primates. If you don’t think they’re capable of evil or good then how would you define good, is it something only humans ...