fdrake is just doing exactly what makes the criticism of the framing correct, by showing that those who see the world through it, are in fact most pro...
To talk incredibly simply, systemic racism discriminates against the "blackness" of a black American, we want to hear about how this happened from the...
When you say the class system is not sustainable - do you mean morally, politically, economically? When we look at Amazon, we see a company utterly de...
I think it is important when analysing Marx and the problem of private property, that the issue of communism, as a means of resolving the issue throug...
I suppose I could have been more precise in my language, I think most of the support for the white privilege framing comes from the same people who pe...
I don't think I said that white privilege can only be understood using the leftist identity politics ideology but it's no coincidence that posters lik...
Leftist identity politics is just a name, right? That's how things work, give names... Don't complain about my clearly biased framing, it's just a nam...
Perhaps. I ran into this issue with you earlier where you asked me if I wanted to be treated like black people are known to be treated by police and y...
Using the term "white privilege" doesn't give you a monopoly over opposition towards racism, you realise that right? There is no use trying to tell me...
I am not asking you to comment on his comments to me. If a white person disagrees with the white privilege framing, is it fair to characterise them as...
If you want to have a serious debate about whether your definition is standard, I'd be more than happy have it. It is not an argument you are going to...
What about sexism is that also based on oppression? Or specism, classism, ageism, or really any of the isms which refer to discrimination based on ide...
True, streetlightx hasn't said anything racist in this thread but my statements there were not based on just this thread. I think it is appropriate to...
Sure, the level of moral severity differs, arguably, between examples of racism. I am not equating racism to other kinds of prejudice. If I can demons...
Your opinions about me are convenient for you because they allow you to dismiss me and my opinions. Just as you tried to do by talking about my race. ...
Besides the whole oppressor/victim narrative, what differences are there between the way you discriminate against people based on their whiteness and ...
I do agree, what I meant was that the white privilege framing results in different outcomes being prioritised, different methods of tackling systemic ...
This is what you did in our debate about privilege, I wrote a lot and you said "I don't see why we should care about the feelings of the privileged" a...
What is racism to you? What I find sad is that creativesoul argues that the white privilege framing is necessary to understand racism, meanwhile, it i...
Honestly, you are new here but it's not just this thread. StreetlightX and Banno are horrible, they're racist, they engage in ad hominem, they are the...
As I said in my OP, that we characterise, prioritise, emphasise and interpret facts is inevitable. It might be easier if we work backwards, let's firs...
I think you've misunderstood my responses to you, what I wanted to acknowledge is that not everything about the white privilege framing is just sensel...
Hm, well I agree with some of your criticisms of white privilege and I believe your approach to white privilege is better than say, Banno's but consid...
Just like streetlightx, anti-racist but racist, talking in this way is racist, how can you be blind to that? If someone came and started talking about...
Yeah, I spoke that quote within the context of evaluating the arrangement and what doing that means for the truth. Humans are complex and as I said ea...
Not sure what you think I'm lying about, I have always been open and upfront about my contempt for the framing. If I agreed that white privilege was n...
Honestly, I see that there are many possible ways to distinguish between different kinds of truths. All I am interested in is how the truth gains a di...
Premise after premise of yours, I disagree with. It's not just that I'm interested in less race-based solutions but that I see your race-based framing...
I disagree with some of the responses here, inaction can be morally wrong but the key issue is responsibility. As a bystander of an accident, you are ...
My interest in the subjective/objective framing is to distinguish between what @"Number2018" has called "brute facts" and pretty much everything else....
Fair enough, you've shown there was an argument and my criticism was wrong. @"JerseyFlight" and @"Banno" I apologise for my comments, I said there was...
Yes, I would agree that it doesn't really happen like that, I misunderstood, I could see how in some small contexts my response could be applicable bu...
I do agree and have argued similarly to the rest of your points, just to make clear that my opposition to the white privilege framing isn't just becau...
He probably didn't read your OP, if he followed his own advice and said "don't waste your time on Peterson" without giving any reason as to why and yo...
That thought does not have the capacity to transcend narratives, this is something one could think differently about. Without any rules, can pretty mu...
From the moment you made your anti-Peterson stance clear and I made my pro-Peterson stance clear, you had to have known that you couldn't take your ba...
I did not refute my original objection but it is certainly quite similar to the response it was criticising, which I admit, there is a sense of irony ...
Yes, indeed, that is not an argument, it is just an opinion. I am not trying to have a debate with Banno, his opinions on what I said aren't of intere...
The validity of your observations and how you use them are separate things. You should never use your opinions about a class of people to inform yours...
I think that thought has the power to dictate any narrative, whether it be to argue that thought itself is the superior power to any god or the opposi...
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