That'd depend on your meta-rule which governs selecting the rule. If your meta-rule says to change rules according to circumstance, then the current r...
No doubt many of them are victims of some kind or another. The problem is that they've turned themselves into professional victims. Inceldom is all ab...
By the way, I think the most interesting topic with ties to philosophy and incels is probably how online dating, or perhaps more accurately dating bet...
I am not sure about this connection. This message isn't new, and hypercapitalism has been around a while, and doesn't seem to have given rise to anyth...
Ok, that seems like a good start. But one could then argue that other species save loved ones too, and indeed what is peculiar to human nature is that...
What does "can be reasoned with" mean here? That they're intelligible, free of contradictions, or some other quality? Whether or not human compassion ...
And possibly to get Trump's base acclimated to these kinds of ideas, so that the next time an election doesn't go the right way, they might just seem ...
Why though? I can see the argument being made for particular sets of challenges, but what right does the "future person" have to not have challenges "...
Well, in a sense it is almost the definition of paternalism. Of course if you're a parent, you're going to be involved in paternalism, it's right ther...
I think the tone would certainly overall be more amicable. People tend to get angry much more when interacting with "dead" text, without gestures or f...
Well, the question I am asking myself is whether you can have a relative standard that isn't grounded in some absolute. We could say "the earth is rou...
I am trying to engage in a new direction, but it's perhaps not clear that I do. I think there is an alternative perspective that you're not fully cons...
While actually getting to the capital-T Truth is probably impossible for most cases, don't we need it as a concept so that we have an idea of what "fa...
Still wrong though. There is no "or" here. So challenges are a game, and death is a game, and I suppose making an argument is also a game, since it's ...
If you believed in God, I'd say ask them. In the absence of that, not sure why you're asking. Uh, I am? You sound a bit like a teenager, complaining t...
But that's wrong. Because it assumes that when you start the game, you already have something to loose. Hence the "or die" part has significance. This...
What you seem to be saying here that the parent-child relationship is somehow bad. That it should not be so. But what's the basis for that? The whole ...
You can also logically arrive at the conclusion that trusting past experience is reasonable. Since all information about the objective world is given ...
You do have to subscribe to ascribe to a particular metaphysics to arrive at the conclusion that there is someone to blame for this in it's entirety. ...
At least we're admitting that this is about self-image. But one might wonder whether the wish to not have to deal with life at all is really a sign of...
Yeah, likewise. The arguments have been done to death. The problems with your arguments are very obvious to me, but you either cannot or do not want t...
Yeah, but then we're right back to square one. Affecting is a very broad term, which is why the claim that creating someone "affects" them is plausibl...
This seems to be an unwarranted value judgement, arbitrarily describing one physical process as a "deficiency". The kind of processes involved predate...
That's a description of the various parts of the sentence, it's not an argument. It doesn't tell me what is bad about affecting others if they haven't...
Shifting the problem so we now have a decision that is both made (becasue a person exists, which can only happen as a result of said decision) and not...
I keep reaffirming logic, yes. It's gaslighting only if your view is so muddled that it feels the need to undercut the principles of logic, like the p...
You know a discussion is in a good place when the factions that have emerged stop engaging with the critical comments and instead reaffirm to each oth...
Yes. But that's not the same as deciding that those children want to live. The same justification there is for anything else that you do that has cons...
No, they don't. The parents don't go around thinking "my child wants to live, therefore I am going to create it". That's not a decision that actually ...
By recognizing that: A: Noone gets to decide whether they want to live in the first place, and wishing for this choice is fundamentally irrational. It...
I see where you're coming from. I am probably not expressing this very well. Essentially, what I want to say is that it's possible that you should hav...
Apparently you have. Why formulate the problem with the phrase "birthing people affects then, which is both imprecise on the part of the "affect" and ...
That's a contradiction in terms. There are not any humans that are not, so you cannot force humans to be. This also seems to be an obvious contradicti...
And isn't it great that the view you have actively argued and defended in this thread is the one "just asking the hard questions" that the other side ...
This strikes me as a pretty dishonest way of summarizing the thread. @"schopenhauer1" in particular is one of the most offensively proselytizing users...
Well, what puzzles me is why we're treating existence as a choice, which we might able to weigh according to the risks and benefits. It's not a choice...
I don't know, so far everyone has shied away from basing suffering on any empirical basis. The consensus of the antinatalists in this thread, so far, ...
Well, is it accurate in your case? Do you place a strong emphasis on the individual, as per e.g. classical liberalism? Wouldn't you say that a view th...
But would you will such a world into existence? Rawls' veil of ignorance provides a good analogy here: Imagine you're going to end up in this society ...
But this is clearly impossible. You cannot prevent either suffering, or non-consent, for anyone. Everyone has these imposed, by necessity. You do not ...
You'd have to be correct, too. Premises can also be conclusions, those aren't ontological categories. What's innocence in this context? That you can w...
The problem isn't predicting the future. The problem is acting as if future humans already float around as disembodied souls, which we then snatch to ...
I don't quite see where you get the unity aspect from. And I think the concepts of single and multitude are mutually dependant. They only become intel...
I am just using "we" as a term for any potential parent. Can you describe to me how an individual is forced into existence? Where are they before the ...
You're not actually engaging with any of my questions. You just keep repeating that we're "forcing someone without consent", but don't explain who tha...
How does it impact it, exactly? How do you change the weights around? And if you make no decision, that also has consequences, right? Why non-action? ...
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