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@"Brett" Ok, so we are not reading to learn good morals, but to see how wacky the morals of the past were? haha, that is pretty good. But my point wou...

First, @"Mww", this is interesting to me, so I hopefully I am not too annoying :grimace: Even if the possibility is far north of 99.99%? Outside of ph...

Makes sense. I definitely understand that every Christian is entitled to their own interpretation of the bible. I probably spent too much time hearing...

Unfortunately, I do not have enough faith in my own memory to know that my view today is the same as yesterday. Each new thing I learn changes things,...

Thank you for that bit. I was hoping someone would point that out :smile:

This may be a bit of a tangent, but can someone please list a few of the positive (worthwhile? still valuable?) morals that can be learned from Homer ...

So God would say some people are better than others? That seems to directly go against the idea that "god loves all of his children". I am not religio...

I cannot say if there is an actual "right" answer for this. But you answered exactly as I would have, so huzzah!

Haha. Darn right. I actually just meant "to communicate" but I think you got that. I do believe we have taken this about as far as it can go...maybe i...

How about a write-in for optimistic and hopeful? Nah, just playing. I will go with "poked in the eye with a sharp stick"

Interesting topic. Before the neuro-scientists (I hope they exist here and do answer some of these questions) jump in, here are my thoughts I believe ...

So, "the sun will rise tomorrow is an absurdity"? Isn't it more absurd to call that statement absurd? (I will be quick to admit this is not fascinatin...

Gotcha. Fair enough. I have always been a bit worried about jumping into the middle of a thread (even if I read the whole thing) as misunderstandings ...

That is certainly fair. I am a little confused here. So knowledge that something will happen does not make it "true"? It also requires sufficient reas...

Indeed. Which part of my post suggests that I disagree with that?

Using common meaning, wouldn't an unconfirmed truth just be any prediction that was "always" (relative to humans) true in the past. "The sun will rise...

Ok, this sounds like part of the creation process for the Categorical Imperative. As you might expect, Kant never sold me on its objectiveness. Howeve...

I am very interested here (because it is a bit of a struggle). I THINK facts are "what are", opinions are what agents think about that. Well that was ...

And there is no such thing as a fact that could never be interpreted differently? Can't we just be more specific with our words? "If I place my naked ...

Nailed it. I think the existence of happiness and suffering is objective. The idea that reducing suffering is good, I would count as subjective (I who...

Cool. But once we take it to this extreme, language has lost its purpose. Hmmm, this may be what @"TheMadFool" and @"Bitter Crank" were saying I was d...

@"Judaka" I am definitely still not getting something that you are trying to say. Maybe this will help me: Is math objective? Why not? Are you just sa...

Now this I can go with. Suffering and happiness exists. We should (ought) base our morality on that. It is still subjective, but as good a starting po...

Well then, wasn't I just creating facts with everything I was trying to label as objective? Are definitions of words facts? But this was not exactly h...

@"Christoffer" Thank you for the unique and interesting approach to this topic. However, my mind has been so focused on subjective vs objective in thi...

I agree with the overall spirit of your post, and view your words as true enough to live by; but this is a discussion forum where we over-analyze thin...

Agreed, and in my mind, the more qualifiers or stipulations we add, the less contentious (more objective...but not objective) it becomes. I am a littl...

Dang, @"TheMadFool", you gave a nice concise response that I thought I could quickly respond to. Instead, I was typically long winded. I am enjoying o...

Ok, this is interesting, because I thought I was being the ultimate subjectivist, and clearly you understood me as saying something else. In any case,...

So I was going to respond: "rational = good / irrational = bad is subjective" But I do believe I have passed the point of utility in this argument. Yo...

Sorry, re-do: - @"Hanover" But it is safe to assume that it is OK to teach capitalism and proper gender roles from an advocacy perspective, right? If ...

@"darthbarracuda"@"Bitter Crank"@"TheMadFool" First off, thank you all. Your latest responses suggest my thoughts were at least mostly understandable....

Thanks for thoughts. @"darthbarracuda" I feel this "Telos" is adding a subjective qualifier. You may define it one way, while I define it another. The...

@"TogetherTurtle" @"TogetherTurtle" Haha, yep I somehow missed that entirely. No arguing with that. - @"TogetherTurtle" Well if we can answer the firs...

@"TogetherTurtle" Well no one seemed to be worried, so I will just post it here...and in re-reading, you at least have one comment per post that is on...

@"Drek" I have read at least 10 people on this site that know better answers, but since no one has responded, here is my attempt: Possibly Keynes? Joh...

@"TogetherTurtle" After my last post, I realized that I wasn't really addressing the thread topic. And your response has followed my lead. As I am new...

@"TogetherTurtle" I was going to comment on the "level playing field" but you actually address my problems in your Sci-Fi solutions so I will mention ...

@"TogetherTurtle" Dang TogetherTurtle, you don’t mess about. I thought I wrote a lot. Know that I read everything, but since I agree with a lot of it,...

@"TogetherTurtle"@"DingoJones" I tried to respond to a few specifics to reduce the length. I may have taken things out of context and deserve to be so...

-@"Bitter Crank" That is exactly what I understood to be the correct option. So I guess I just have to decide how authoritarian I want to be when othe...

@"Bitter Crank" -@"Bitter Crank" Dang, the world must be really infuriating these days as everyone seems to be increasingly suffering this neurosis :)...

@"Bitter Crank" I agree with everything on false allegations (and most of everything else). And unquestionably there are some confusing aspects of #me...

@"Bitter Crank" - I have been reading this forum for years (thank you everyone for your contributions), and I finally disagree with you on something; ...