I should just about live that long, so we will see :grin: I am actually more worried that in 50 years I will be defending the artistic merits of Trans...
@"Frank Apisa" I will include you too, as I was going to say this to you at some point. Actually it seems (to me) that those who want to be just "agno...
In fact, it exactly logically leads to that. When someone says "more likely" what are they comparing? If there is NO evidence it is CERTAINLY less lik...
While I think we are partially on topic, I think most of our discussion will be better served in that newer agnosticism thread (title is something lik...
Definitely. This topic is interesting too, in that many people (all of us?) seem to have problems with some words being used generally, but are perfec...
Sure, as far as I am concerned, you taking the time to respond is more than enough respect for me :smile: Zhou is fine, BoTong also works. ZBT is anot...
The only reason I would ever get offended is if the joke is not really funny (I have the Jerry Seinfeld sensibilities). The more potentially offensive...
Ok. Well I think I am unqualified to answer. I struggle to emotionally relate to things. I have NEVER been inspired by art. I am not sure I have ever ...
and yet ask them to describe any god that they believe in... Fair enough (I would probably have to learn Greek to debate the point), but using that de...
The only philosophical concept I find consistently important is related to: "Are you sure?" As long as the person can admit that they might be wrong, ...
Ok, I think I finally understand what this thread is about (probably wrong though). I would just point out that I finished High School in 1999 and I s...
Haha yep, I can dress it up with "I am here to learn" or "to hone my own thoughts" but if I wasn't a little entertained, it probably wouldn't get much...
I thought atheist had an intentionally specific vague meaning...Isn't the main definition "one who does not believe in god or gods"? That captures a w...
I would say we don't need art, we like art. To be fair, I am sure there has been the occasional person who accomplished great things after being inspi...
@"praxis" @"T Clark" Well first, praxis, I was fairly amazed with your initial post. It seemed well thought out and very carefully worded. I liked it ...
That is what I meant. Sorry to both of you if I jumped in the middle of something I didn't understand. However, I am not sure of the disagreement: How...
I don't like the idea of consensus ever deciding what is right (it might give hints at best), but your line above highlights the "elitism" I was refer...
This seems intelligent and well thought out, but does it really apply to candy? I agree that SOMETIMES a "matter of value" is not the same as "matter ...
Awesome stuff. My thoughts exactly. Unfortunately, I have struggled to sell that view (I am happy to have found a few like minded people here). I am o...
Thanks. Another good example. Would these students have learned more if they did "Othello"? Would they be more, or less, interested drama, film, and t...
Well @"Terrapin Station" answered that it is easy to get scripts, but even without them, what is the problem? There is plenty of room for interpretati...
Not a single person in this thread has attempted to lay out these "objective measures" of art. If you know them, I would be happy to take a look and p...
Ole Ole Ole! Brilliant stuff. I need to type more of my rants into google. Who knew such an article existed. And anyone who completes a Master's Degre...
@"Brett" @"Noah Te Stroete" This post is responding to old posts. I am like 4 pages behind. Do NOT feel obligated to respond. I will be adding more as...
What about things that people sure seem to "value", but are less likely to admit? aesthetics (vanity, judging appearances, etc) popularity (being cool...
"Bother" might be a bit strong. I am just debating the merits the same way I might question Idealism or Donald Trump. I think I write very literally, ...
I think my writing style may come across as angry. I'm not. Just interested and enjoying myself. Thanks. I am 37. I teach. This is an example of the "...
I don't have a problem with any of that. And you are a stylish writer, almost poetic. But I am not sure how much it addresses the questions I posed in...
Wait what? My whole point is that all art contains the elements found in Shakespeare. When I say "Shakespeare sucks" I mean "I don't like it". Not "it...
Ok. I believe I could find nearly every one of those themes in the Transformers series (I am not saying Michael Bay intended to include those themes, ...
First off, Sorry I never responded. I started the thread then did not have enough time to keep up. I had read your post and meant to respond, but did ...
I certainly agree that if students are not engaged (interested being the main component) then learning will suffer. And it does seem that high school ...
That is a bold claim for art. The vast majority of humans don't get that out of ANY art (even when it is staring them in the face). Here is a nice big...
Yes, yes. What IS learned then? So what we can learn from these authors is that many people have read their works and written about the experience? WH...
I am not Isaac, but just to help, if I had never read Shakespeare after high school I would have a far less severe opinion. It has been the last 3-4 y...
I don't think anyone is suggesting that. I do not think all opinions on how to treat cancer are equal. I don't think all opinions on climate change ar...
if you begin by doing the former, I am comfortable that I will be able to do the latter. I would just do it, but I have no idea how anything would be ...
Sorry all, too many responses, would take forever in multiple posts...so here is 1 BIG one. I was trying to avoid this but your statement above seems ...
This sounds good, but I assume if someone likes artwork x, and x is transformers, then they are morons and nothing you said above applies? That is obv...
If you can say that, I am with you :smile: And to your "sophisticated" point, that makes sense. But we must refer to the one judging the art as sophis...
If we are talking about something serious (bad word choice, but I might count science, morality, or politics as things that require an INFORMED opinio...
Fair enough. You caught me there. My actual point is we ALL know art well enough to be justified in liking or disliking something. Sorry Brett, I have...
Haha, OK. Just to clarify, I picked Michael Bay because I know he is crapped on as simply spitting out generic crap. Yet millions of people choose to ...
And anyone who disagrees with those opinions is an idiot who doesn't know anything about art, right? Does one have to know anything about art to say "...
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