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I agree, and part of the problem with language and/or concepts, is that because there aren't always clearly defined rules, we have a tendency to limit...

One of the things I did MU was to read primary sources and make an interpretation based on what I understood the interpretation to be, then I compared...

Oh god, I just want to laugh when I read all of our work trying to get MU to understand. These disagreements with MU go back years. In the forum most ...

Sorry Luke that wasn't clearly written so I erased it. It's 2:30 in the morning and I'm to lazy to re-write it. :gasp:

So, it seems that we use objects (physical or abstract), memories, pictures (mental or otherwise) as tools to learn meaning, not that these things ent...

Thanks for that post Andrew. I couldn't agree more.

If your only argument is that I'm going beyond what the text is saying at this point, I say, of course I am, and I've said as much.

Here's where you seem to go wrong. Where did anyone say this? Language would never get anywhere if this was the case. In fact, I've said the opposite,...

I don't understand how it is that you do not agree with this, namely, that any language-game, which by definition is social, necessarily has rules (im...

We are in agreement StreetlightX, even where you expanded the point a bit in the first paragraph, and clarified the second paragraph. Excellent work!

What I mean by "...the actions determine what's correct or incorrect" is that the actions within the social context is the means by which we distingui...

§54 For me, the most important aspect of Wittgenstein's rule-following analysis, is not only the idea of the complexity of rule-following within langu...

A good interpretation of the text involves understanding Wittgenstein from the Notebooks (around 1914), which is his early thinking on meaning, all th...

Much of this, including §47, is his way of arguing against his old way of thinking, and by extension arguing against how many philosophers knowingly o...

I think Conant and Diamond are incorrect in the way they interpret parts of Wittgenstein, but that's a subject for a different thread. I don't know wh...

I didn't think you would let him off the hook so easily Luke. Now I'm am forced, in my own inimitable way, to say that not only is Terrapin incorrect,...

Ya, that makes sense. I figured it was just a point of clarification. What do you think of Terrapin Station's reply to me?

I'll definitely agree with this, if you uncouple these two things you'll definitely be lost. This is also an extremely important point to keep in mind...

Part of the point of Wittgenstein talking about the ostensive definition model or deriving meaning from this medium is that there are no rules in this...

I generally agree with Luke, but want to add something about rules which will be coming up in the PI. As you know grammar for Wittgenstein is much mor...

I will definitely agree with this.

Ah, the "myth of the given," Fafner and I argued over this about 3 years ago in the other forum.

We agree, damn miracles will never cease, there is a God. :wink:

Streetlight is doing a good job of staying on the topic at hand. My comments were meant as generalizations, but what Streetlight is doing is what shou...

Rule-following is an activity, and it's one of the activities that takes place in a game. It doesn't necessarily mean that you have learned rules or t...

Everyone has a world view whether they recognize it or not, so in that sense everyone has a philosophy of life. If this is true, and it is, then maybe...

Since I'm currently working on a theory of knowledge involving Wittgenstein's thinking, I thought it appropriate to include some of these ideas as the...

Some general remarks: Another important part of Wittgenstein's analysis in the PI that is not carried forward from the Tractatus, is the idea of a fin...

I'll leave it at that Terrapin.

So let's see if I understand you correctly. The rules of chess are a matter of convention, i.e., they could have been otherwise. But according to you ...

Some conventions are correct or incorrect. One cannot simply use a word any way one likes, i.e., if you want to be understood. So there is a sense whe...

Yes, I agree. There are both implicit rules and explicit rules, as in comparing some children's games where the rules are not spelled out, and some bo...

The central idea throughout the PI is the idea of the language-game, and under this rubric is the idea of rules of use (or logic of use), and also Wit...

Hopefully I didn't distract your thread too much. I'll stop by from time-to-time to make a comment or two. Good luck with your discussion.

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Another key element to the continuity of his early philosophy and his later philosophy is how we come to mean something by our words. What constitutes...

I'm not familiar with the Routledge edition. Actually, the way Wittgenstein is using "ostensive," as in "ostensive teaching of words (PI 6)," is not i...

In the Tractatus Wittgenstein believes that the structure of language is revealed by logic, and that the main function of language is to describe the ...

There is definitely a continuous narrative between the two works. He didn't completely disavow everything in the Tractatus. One of the continuities, i...

The professor I studied under studied under Cora Diamond who is one of the proponents of the resolute reading. I'm definitely not a fan of the resolut...

http://wab.uib.no/agora/tools/alws/collection-7-issue-1-article-21.annotate

The best book I've read that sums up Wittgenstein is K. T. Fann's, Wittgenstein's Conception of Philosophy. You can get it used for just a few dollars...

Believe me Wallows, I would loathe leading this thread. One of the reasons is that like other forums, people think their opinions have the same force,...

This thread is like the blind leading the blind. There are so many misunderstandings going on that it pains me to read this. If you listen to MU you'l...

I don't disagree with that Terrapin.

Of course the discourse of philosophy has broader ramifications than a chess game, but the analogy, as far as it goes, still holds. How we talk about ...

No, I have not made an invalid inference. Your understanding of this point is just confused. When you learn to use a word, then you have also learned ...

This is just not true. Think of how a child learns to use the word cup. The child has no idea what a rule is, but by learning to use the word in socia...

I found this post on Quora written by Jun-Ichi Yano to be a good guide to objective and subjective. The following is taken word for word from his post...

All facts whether subjective or objective operate within some system of use. And it is the case that some rules are determined by group consensus. The...