AJJ

If it’s a “retard-level” argument you should be embarrassed you don’t understand it. Being unaware of a major argument against your position and insis...

The point being, it’s only in the mind that anything ever appears red. A brain phenomenon does not in itself appear red, but generates redness in the ...

You’re failing to understand that something does not appear red unless it is looked at.

I’ve been posing the problem of qualia to your position. The observation that redness is a quality that exists in the mind but not in the material wor...

I’m asking you to demonstrate why you think brain phenomena and experiences are identical, not simply to insist that they are.

If light refraction is different from the experience of colour, what makes a brain phenomenon the same as an experience of colour?

There “sense” = manner. In what manner - or in what way - do you think light refraction is the same as colour? I’m saying it’s only in virtue of the f...

Our sense of sight is our visual experience of things. Our sense of smell is our olfactory experience of things. Our sense of hearing is our auditory ...

Yes. That is the definition of a sense.

And you wouldn’t answer in what sense you thought light refraction was the same as colour. It’s colour only in virtue of the fact that, when looked at...

Yes, colour is something we experience. It doesn’t exist apart from a mind’s experience of it.

You say brain phenomena are identical to experiences. If you have an experience of redness, and your experiences are identical to brain phenomena, the...

Please learn to spot a paraphrase. “Signals” = brain phenomena.

So what, the colour red enters the brain and we experience it? Does the brain not interpret the light entering the eyes and produce whatever signals? ...

The brain phenomenon of someone experiencing the colour red is not itself red. How then are the brain phenomenon and the experience the same thing?

How is the experience of redness identical to particles that are not themselves red?

We’re able to observe brain phenomena. The person whose brain we observe has experiences based on those brain phenomena. How then are the experiences ...

I know you’re not. I am. When I say “material basis for colour” I mean light refraction. I’m not introducing anything new, or anything you haven’t bee...

I’m saying there is a material basis for our experience. I’m saying the material basis and our experience are distinct. I’m saying there is a distinct...

I’m saying experience and the material basis for it are distinct. In what sense is the light refraction for red a colour if no one experiences it?

In what sense is it the colour red if it isn’t experienced?

It what sense is light refraction corresponding to the colour red a colour if no one experiences it? Why is it not simply particles, bouncing around?

You said this: Light refraction is the material basis for colour, but is not itself a colour, which is a thing we experience in our minds.

You’re saying instead that the material basis for colour is the same as the experience of it. This is patently false. It’s like saying the material ba...

You’re saying this: I’m saying light refraction is only colour when it’s experienced in the mind, and that otherwise it’s simply particles bouncing ar...

It seems to me that you’re the one conflating. You’re conflating the material basis for our experience of colour with our experience of it.

It’s only colour once someone experiences it, in their mind. Otherwise it’s just particles bouncing around.

Its colour is what we experience, in our minds. In purely material terms there is no colour, only light refraction.

A brain in and of itself has no colour. It refracts light a certain way. This refraction is experienced in the mind as colour. How can something that ...

Does it? The brain is colourless, odourless, meaningless matter, yet the mind experiences and assigns these things. It seems to be obviously the case ...

Sure, I’m just going to leave you to your thoughts now. I’m out.

No it doesn’t. Irrelevant to my case. I’m about done with this argument now, so may just stop replying.

Well look, from my end it feels like I’m explaining the obvious all the time and no one ever gets it. And I don’t know what you’re asking about a cont...

Mate, you’re just being a pedant. I could be referring either to all cellular life in the human body, or in particular to a new human being there, and...

Why on earth would I be referring to all human cellular life there, as opposed to the life of a new human being? You’re being a pedant. If you take a ...

Perhaps you should quote me the remark you’re referring to.

Well no, because as I’ve said previously in this thread, a sperm is not a human being and neither is an egg cell. Once an egg cell is fertilised a hum...

Settle down. I’m not outraged, I’m amused at your blunder. Read my response again, I’ve answered your objection.

Are you suggesting that life might begin before it is conceived? Or after? “Life begins at conception” is a truism, you numpty. It’s just to say it be...

No, for the same reason a sperm and an egg when separate don’t give you a human being. If it was the case that putting those things in a pile caused t...

Here’s a short clip of Hitchens on abortion: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Apt4iR6axnY And I don’t suppose that, which is my whole point.

Don’t really know what you’re struggling with. Human life begins from its conception, from what other point can you say it begins? If it is going to b...

You’re being obtuse. You are a human being; you have been one from the moment you began to develop. You did not develop from a sperm cell, you did not...

I don’t know. But what I’m saying is that if human life is to be valued, it must be from the moment of its conception. Otherwise people will begin tak...

For some reason I was having to explain what a human being is, and that it is neither a sperm, an egg nor a single cell. I don’t know what you’re gett...

You’ll have to quote me on what I said was worthless.

A liver is not a human being. Neither, as far as I’m aware, is it made of a single cell. A human being is one of us, from the point at which we begin ...

A sperm, an egg or a random cell are not human beings. Left to themselves they do not become anything more than what they are.

It seems to me that you either maintain that life matters from the moment of conception, or it matters from some other, entirely arbitrary, point in a...

Again, it’s an emotive issue mate, and requires a modicum of moral intelligence to consider properly. But as I said, believe what you want.